> There's no path from where we are now to nobody eating animals that involves us just making incremental progress, a bit at a time. It sounds like you’re impo

> There's no path from where we are now to nobody eating animals that involves us just making incremental progress, a bit at a time. It sounds like you’re imposing a specifically slow set of increments here. We know that these goals can’t be met overnight, so the only option is some kind of incremental progress. But the size of those increments certainly isn’t set, and will be increased (voluntarily or not) as our situation becomes more dire. > Long-term goals are great, but long-term goals that can't plausibly be achieved are bad. I think it’s problematic to conclude that what we’re discussing can’t be plausibly achieved. Insanely difficult, sure, but at some point these decisions will be made for us, and abandoning hope is one option that seems guaranteed to lead to failure. Going further and calling these kinds of goals “bad” seems actively harmful.