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I want to eat meat from chickens and cows that had good, happy lives, eating the healthiest most natural form of their diet possible. I don't want lab grown me

I want to eat meat from chickens and cows that had good, happy lives, eating the healthiest most natural form of their diet possible. I don't want lab grown meat, the concept is disgusting. As it is our food is too processed and industrial. Maybe we can focus on mixed farming instead https://www.earth.com/news/mixed-farming-could-increase-food-productivity-and-reduce-emissions/ https://www.earth.com/news/mixed-farming-could-increase-food...

SapporoChris 3y ago
https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Ameglian_Major_Cow https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Ameglian_Major_Cow Be careful what you want, you just might get it.
x86x87 3y ago
The question to ask is: can everyone eat meat from animals that had good happy, lives? Does that scale to everyone?
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  Yes if they eat a lot less of it. You probably can't raise animals as efficiently (especially in terms of land required) while keeping them happy. The difference will be reflected in the cost to the consumer - ethical meat is more expensive[1]. Whenever these conversations crop up, the idea that we might need to eat less meat to achieve ethical or environmental goals seems to be unthinkable to many commenters. The recent fad diets that focus on consuming tons of animal protein have really muddled the water as well since they seem to imply that you can't eat healthy while eating less meat. I think that's why you see so much enthusiasm for lab-grown meat. [1] https://www.ethicalfarmingfund.org/post/2018/05/30/the-truth-behind-the-price-of-humanely-raised-food https://www.ethicalfarmingfund.org/post/2018/05/30/the-truth...
  - x86x87 3y ago
    If people are willing to eat less meat would you have the problem to begin with? I feel the solution should me along the lines of pricing the meat accordingly vs inventing this freak alternative that allows you to virtue signal while still causing the same amount of damage. This without going into the question of what effects this synthetic meat could have on the human body - for better or worse people have been eating meat for all of history and AFAIK meat is one of the most nutriet dense foods you can eat.
- throwaway22032 3y ago
  Basically nothing scales to everyone. Everyone can't have an American or European house with a garden and a car. We don't plan for that in general.
  - roflyear 3y ago
    Exactly. What people are suggesting is we need a practical alternative: factory farming doesn't seem to be it.
mattnewton 3y ago
I can’t share your disgust and I’m surprised really. Modern farms are horrifyingly efficient, unnatural, and hellish; and that’s the alternative if we want everyone who wants to, to be able to eat meat. Mixed farming at scale seems like just tells you what to do with the lakes of manure the caged animals produce, not the feed or unnatural conditions of those beings
cpeterso 3y ago
I wonder who the market for lab-grown meat would be. I bet that 99% of vegetarians (myself included) and maybe 90% of meat eaters would never eat it. Meat eaters will insist on “real meat” and vegetarians don’t want any meat.
- dmbche 3y ago
  I think if the subsidies for meat are stopped or reduced this becomes much more interesting - kind of like synthetic fuel is stupid today, but when most cars are EVs synthetic fuel becomes a good idea for car enthusiasts.
- hhjinks 3y ago
  Everyone who eats meat, but who don't consider it part of their identity. People care about taste and price. If lab meat is just as tasty and cheaper than farm meat, regular people are going to pick the cheaper alternative, save some massive scare campaign. "Meat eaters," as you call them, generally don't consider themselves as such.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  I think meat eaters would eat it. If it was better or at least cheaper than what we are currently buying. My understanding is that we are not actually anywhere close to that point. And products are closer to the cheap products than anything quality. Think of pink slime...
smugglerFlynn 3y ago
The way to keep cows and chickens happy, in a global way, is either to regulate production to hell, or to stop farming animals for _mass produced_ food altogether. Former is not feasible without production costs skyrocketing, and good luck trying to enforce regulation like that globally. The way to achieve the latter is to make artificial meat more attractive to food production businesses that mass exploit animals today. You cannot defeat the tragedy of the commons[0] by just growing happy cows. Business will always exploit the available means, and we will continue to see 1 "happy farm" and 99 ugly grinders where animals suffer. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
93po 3y ago
Cows and chickens are butchered only a couple years into a life that could extend a decade or longer. I wouldn’t call this a good life. Additionally, unless you’re buying from a local rancher who puts a ton of time and money and space into his animals, you’re universally buying meat from an animal that spent its entire life in crappy conditions. I find the idea of an animal corpse that’s slowly decaying in my fridge to be disgusting. I’m totally fine with the idea of lab grown proteins and fats in my fridge, though I’d still probably only eat it in small amounts bc it feels too similar to the corpses that disgust me.
dmbche 3y ago
I'm sorry, this is propaganda. These animals have not lived happy, full lives, and the mixed farming is about using their excrement. Nothing to do with animal well being.
roflyear 3y ago
You should check out some videos of factory farms!
- user3939382 3y ago
  I have which is why I don’t eat anything that comes from factory farms.

SapporoChris 3y ago

https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Ameglian_Major_Cow https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Ameglian_Major_Cow Be careful what you want, you just might get it.

x86x87 3y ago

The question to ask is: can everyone eat meat from animals that had good happy, lives? Does that scale to everyone?

AlexandrB 3y ago
Yes if they eat a lot less of it. You probably can't raise animals as efficiently (especially in terms of land required) while keeping them happy. The difference will be reflected in the cost to the consumer - ethical meat is more expensive[1]. Whenever these conversations crop up, the idea that we might need to eat less meat to achieve ethical or environmental goals seems to be unthinkable to many commenters. The recent fad diets that focus on consuming tons of animal protein have really muddled the water as well since they seem to imply that you can't eat healthy while eating less meat. I think that's why you see so much enthusiasm for lab-grown meat. [1] https://www.ethicalfarmingfund.org/post/2018/05/30/the-truth-behind-the-price-of-humanely-raised-food https://www.ethicalfarmingfund.org/post/2018/05/30/the-truth...
- x86x87 3y ago
  If people are willing to eat less meat would you have the problem to begin with? I feel the solution should me along the lines of pricing the meat accordingly vs inventing this freak alternative that allows you to virtue signal while still causing the same amount of damage. This without going into the question of what effects this synthetic meat could have on the human body - for better or worse people have been eating meat for all of history and AFAIK meat is one of the most nutriet dense foods you can eat.
throwaway22032 3y ago
Basically nothing scales to everyone. Everyone can't have an American or European house with a garden and a car. We don't plan for that in general.
- roflyear 3y ago
  Exactly. What people are suggesting is we need a practical alternative: factory farming doesn't seem to be it.

mattnewton 3y ago

I can’t share your disgust and I’m surprised really. Modern farms are horrifyingly efficient, unnatural, and hellish; and that’s the alternative if we want everyone who wants to, to be able to eat meat. Mixed farming at scale seems like just tells you what to do with the lakes of manure the caged animals produce, not the feed or unnatural conditions of those beings

cpeterso 3y ago

I wonder who the market for lab-grown meat would be. I bet that 99% of vegetarians (myself included) and maybe 90% of meat eaters would never eat it. Meat eaters will insist on “real meat” and vegetarians don’t want any meat.

dmbche 3y ago
I think if the subsidies for meat are stopped or reduced this becomes much more interesting - kind of like synthetic fuel is stupid today, but when most cars are EVs synthetic fuel becomes a good idea for car enthusiasts.
hhjinks 3y ago
Everyone who eats meat, but who don't consider it part of their identity. People care about taste and price. If lab meat is just as tasty and cheaper than farm meat, regular people are going to pick the cheaper alternative, save some massive scare campaign. "Meat eaters," as you call them, generally don't consider themselves as such.
Ekaros 3y ago
I think meat eaters would eat it. If it was better or at least cheaper than what we are currently buying. My understanding is that we are not actually anywhere close to that point. And products are closer to the cheap products than anything quality. Think of pink slime...

smugglerFlynn 3y ago

The way to keep cows and chickens happy, in a global way, is either to regulate production to hell, or to stop farming animals for _mass produced_ food altogether. Former is not feasible without production costs skyrocketing, and good luck trying to enforce regulation like that globally. The way to achieve the latter is to make artificial meat more attractive to food production businesses that mass exploit animals today. You cannot defeat the tragedy of the commons[0] by just growing happy cows. Business will always exploit the available means, and we will continue to see 1 "happy farm" and 99 ugly grinders where animals suffer. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

93po 3y ago

Cows and chickens are butchered only a couple years into a life that could extend a decade or longer. I wouldn’t call this a good life. Additionally, unless you’re buying from a local rancher who puts a ton of time and money and space into his animals, you’re universally buying meat from an animal that spent its entire life in crappy conditions. I find the idea of an animal corpse that’s slowly decaying in my fridge to be disgusting. I’m totally fine with the idea of lab grown proteins and fats in my fridge, though I’d still probably only eat it in small amounts bc it feels too similar to the corpses that disgust me.

dmbche 3y ago

I'm sorry, this is propaganda. These animals have not lived happy, full lives, and the mixed farming is about using their excrement. Nothing to do with animal well being.

roflyear 3y ago

You should check out some videos of factory farms!

user3939382 3y ago
I have which is why I don’t eat anything that comes from factory farms.