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What's the ultimate purpose? To subsist using the minimal amount of resources? Have you considered that people may want to eat animals? Every human activity co
by jcarrano 3y ago
What's the ultimate purpose? To subsist using the minimal amount of resources? Have you considered that people may want to eat animals?
Every human activity consumes resources. We cannot make the reduction of consumption as a goal in itself. At the end of the road, what that line of thinking leads to is just existing for the mere fact of existing while occupying the minimal space and feeding ourselves enough to meet our required daily values. I do not think that is an existence that makes sense.
Going back to "agricultural land use". Much of the land use for raising animals would not become a lush forest if left alone. There's a reason it is being used for animals and not crops.
- dmbche 3y agoDo you think you might be onto a slippery slope here? Eating animals is not a cornerstone of modern society, and none of the experience/ benefits of eating animals cannot be reproduced. Just like using lead in the gas, at some point as a society we might decide that the costs overweight the benefits. I think we're waaaaaaay past the discussion - it's self evident that animal exploitation is a blight on the earth and on the animals, and the benefits are unclear (for 95% of the world). So why keep going? Because "i want to"? What would you think if people wanted to use leaded gas, or use DDT on their lawn? See the similarity?
- baremetal 3y agoI bought farmland and raise my own beef because of this type of thinking. Absolutely, _no one_ is gonna control whether I eat beef or not.
- dmbche 3y agoSee what I mean? " No one is gonna stop me from spraying DDT" no one is gonna stop me from dumping this chemical waste in this river" "No one will stop me from doing what I want to sentient animals" Anyway. Enjoy the highest level of depression in any industry and the shit smell all around your house.
- TrispusAttucks 3y ago[flagged]
- dmbche 3y agoDo you have experience raising animals? I do. The sheer amount of excrement that you have to handle is absurd, and it's a well documented problem that the nitrogen leaks into aquifers and nearby water, causing massive problems (including the dead zone in the gulf of mexico). This is without commenting on how removing trees in the pasture reduces absorbtion of the nutrients on location and helps with the leaking into water. What is done to animals in farms is also far from what most people would consider acceptable. You might be out of touch with what this industry actually comprises. Esit: And it's impossible to enforce anything on farmers regarding this, there are barely inspections every couple years of the state of the building, enforcing waste management and animal welfare is a pipe dream.
- TrispusAttucks 3y agoI do raise meat animals. This is life. We must eat. Large scale plant agriculture is also destructive. There is no escape.
- dmbche 3y agoIt's orders of magnitude less destructive. We have to at least try to make an effort and not give up and "enjoy the status quo while it lasts" It's going to take work - giving up before trying isn't going to help. And telling others to give up won't either.
- baremetal 3y ago>It's orders of magnitude less destructive. Citation needed. I'm not sure you've ever been around industrial scale mono-cropping agriculture. The amount of pesticides, fertilizers, and herbicides is astronomical. And you are worried about a little cow poop? Which is natural and beneficial to the soil? Have you ever heard of regenerative agriculture? That is what I practice. We live in such an alarmist society one can read a few headlines and think the world is going to end. Or think they are educated about a topic.
- baremetal 3y ago>Much of the land use for raising animals would not become a lush forest if left alone. There's a reason it is being used for animals and not crops. With scrub land, that is about the only agricultural use for it. Putting cows on arid scrub land turns useless land into useful land. It's so easy to falsely reason about agriculture when one is so far removed from it. >What's the ultimate purpose? To subsist using the minimal amount of resources? That is the ultimate purpose to reduce the standard of living of the poor and middle class.
- hombre_fatal 3y agoPastures and ranches still rewild back into something populated by the ecosystem even if it just looks like devoid grassland to you. Not to mention how many forests are destroyed to turn them into ranchland.