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that is definitely false, it may be the most convenient way, but please stop with the complete nonsense. How exactly does it work? can i not call a regular num

that is definitely false, it may be the most convenient way, but please stop with the complete nonsense. How exactly does it work? can i not call a regular number? can i not go knock on their door? in what way has society changed in those places that completely eliminates the options that existed in 1980? edit: and even if we accept your premise, how did this come to be?

rootsudo 3y ago
No, very much true. Can't do commerce in Indonesia, Singapore or Malaysia w/o Whatsapp. Weichat works in SG, but not in Indonesia or Malaysia. Line for Japan/Thailand. Kakao for S. Korea. You're not texting people via SMS, that is a paid feature and people don't pay for it / that's not considered normal. Delivery/Mail/Pos, also all on whatsapp.
- redeeman 3y ago
  can you elaborate on "cant do commerce" ? and then dont text people. people say the same shit about facebook, the people I know say the same, that "you cant do anything without it", yet I somehow manage. Would it perhaps sometimes have been easier to go look some shit up on facebook? probably, is it required? well im still alive here to post
  - rootsudo 3y ago
    Shipping confirmations are sent via whatsapp via Tokopedia, Shopee and Lazada. Logging in / MFA is done via Whatsapp. You can have a whatsapp for business (which is a separate app from whatsapp but same thing but has built in ecomm tools) Grab/Gojek/Angas drivers won't text you, but would whatsapp you (cause it's free.) there is a built in dialer/voip into Grab/Gojek, but it sucks and sucks so much it can be useless unless you are ina n 4G LTE locaton and even then - it sucks. I've had countless drivers message me from a grab/gojek hail to confirm location, send live location, etc. Whatsapp is the status quo for communicating with friends, dates, co-workers, contractors, etc. No one wants to pay for an SMS plan - in Philippines it's barely there but most people have moved on due to tons of fraud/abuse/load scams (load is the credit for Globe/smart, it's called pulsa in indonesia) so many people just all together turn it off. OTP/MFA from all the major indonesian/malyasian and PH banks do Whatsapp MFA. BPI, BDO, Mandiri, Permata, BCA, Mayabank, HSBC, etc. Yes, even HSBC. It's even a big thing with USA banks - https://www.telemessage.com/citi-goldman-sachs-hsbc-and-other-top-banks-warn-of-being-investigated-by-sec-and-cftc-over-their-use-of-whatsapp/ https://www.telemessage.com/citi-goldman-sachs-hsbc-and-othe... but that's more for collusion then just ecommerce and general daily life activity. So tl;dr Whatsapp is required in SEA for daily life, otherwise you're the outdated outlier that needs to do phonecalls.
    - redeeman 3y ago
      so... convenience. and BTW I have relatives and friends that lives in the Philippines, though its a decade since I was there myself, I do keep up on the situation there, and know that it is entirely possible to live, buy food, go to the bank, order online, and even go to a doctors appointment without whatsapp
      - gmerc 3y ago
        It’s truly arrogant to think you know better and than people living in these markets. Whatsapp has over 100% market penetration in Singapore (aka more WA accounts than people). There is not alternative because network effects. The US is an anomaly in messaging, the rest of the world has one dominating app and it’s often either WA or Messenger with the occasional line or Naver.
junon 3y ago
Sure okay, your own world view must be the only way people live and anyone who claims to live differently is lying yeah?

rootsudo 3y ago

No, very much true. Can't do commerce in Indonesia, Singapore or Malaysia w/o Whatsapp. Weichat works in SG, but not in Indonesia or Malaysia. Line for Japan/Thailand. Kakao for S. Korea. You're not texting people via SMS, that is a paid feature and people don't pay for it / that's not considered normal. Delivery/Mail/Pos, also all on whatsapp.

redeeman 3y ago
can you elaborate on "cant do commerce" ? and then dont text people. people say the same shit about facebook, the people I know say the same, that "you cant do anything without it", yet I somehow manage. Would it perhaps sometimes have been easier to go look some shit up on facebook? probably, is it required? well im still alive here to post
- rootsudo 3y ago
  Shipping confirmations are sent via whatsapp via Tokopedia, Shopee and Lazada. Logging in / MFA is done via Whatsapp. You can have a whatsapp for business (which is a separate app from whatsapp but same thing but has built in ecomm tools) Grab/Gojek/Angas drivers won't text you, but would whatsapp you (cause it's free.) there is a built in dialer/voip into Grab/Gojek, but it sucks and sucks so much it can be useless unless you are ina n 4G LTE locaton and even then - it sucks. I've had countless drivers message me from a grab/gojek hail to confirm location, send live location, etc. Whatsapp is the status quo for communicating with friends, dates, co-workers, contractors, etc. No one wants to pay for an SMS plan - in Philippines it's barely there but most people have moved on due to tons of fraud/abuse/load scams (load is the credit for Globe/smart, it's called pulsa in indonesia) so many people just all together turn it off. OTP/MFA from all the major indonesian/malyasian and PH banks do Whatsapp MFA. BPI, BDO, Mandiri, Permata, BCA, Mayabank, HSBC, etc. Yes, even HSBC. It's even a big thing with USA banks - https://www.telemessage.com/citi-goldman-sachs-hsbc-and-other-top-banks-warn-of-being-investigated-by-sec-and-cftc-over-their-use-of-whatsapp/ https://www.telemessage.com/citi-goldman-sachs-hsbc-and-othe... but that's more for collusion then just ecommerce and general daily life activity. So tl;dr Whatsapp is required in SEA for daily life, otherwise you're the outdated outlier that needs to do phonecalls.
  - redeeman 3y ago
    so... convenience. and BTW I have relatives and friends that lives in the Philippines, though its a decade since I was there myself, I do keep up on the situation there, and know that it is entirely possible to live, buy food, go to the bank, order online, and even go to a doctors appointment without whatsapp
    - gmerc 3y ago
      It’s truly arrogant to think you know better and than people living in these markets. Whatsapp has over 100% market penetration in Singapore (aka more WA accounts than people). There is not alternative because network effects. The US is an anomaly in messaging, the rest of the world has one dominating app and it’s often either WA or Messenger with the occasional line or Naver.

junon 3y ago

Sure okay, your own world view must be the only way people live and anyone who claims to live differently is lying yeah?