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Good luck enforcing a world-wide “plant-only” diet. I know people who would go to war just over that.
by blitz_skull 3y ago
Good luck enforcing a world-wide “plant-only” diet. I know people who would go to war just over that.
- Detrytus 3y agoI wouldn't. Instead I would simply switch to cannibalism, and start eating vegetarians :)
- regisg 3y agoThey are already at war against nature
- chrisbolt 3y agoWhy does everything have to be all-or-nothing? Start by stop subsidizing meat.
- TrispusAttucks 3y agoCorn would like to have a talk with your meat subsidizes.
- vegetablepotpie 3y agoCorn subsidies provide animal ag with cheap feed. Cut the corn subsidies and prices for meat will better reflect the cost of producing it.
- baremetal 3y agoCorn subsidies also go to producing ethanol. Which is arguable a gigantic waste when compared to using it for animal feed. Roughly 40% of corn is used to produce ethanol[1] [1]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-to-rethink-corn/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-to-rethink-c...
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- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoIf lab grown meat produces far more CO2 than conventional and we cut corn subsidies I could see it backfiring and pushing more meat to be lab grown causing total CO2 to actually increase.
- myshpa 3y ago40 percent of U.S. corn is used for ethanol 36 percent of U.S. corn, plus distillers grains left over from ethanol production, is fed to cattle, pigs and chickens Much of the rest is exported. Only a tiny fraction of the national corn crop is directly used for food for Americans, much of that for high-fructose corn syrup. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-to-rethink-corn/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-to-rethink-c...
- DennisP 3y agoEvery climate solution I've seen that started with the word "just" has been woefully inadequate, and modestly raising the price of meat is no exception. People would still eat plenty of it.
- chrisbolt 3y agoYou're right, changed "just" to "start by". Part of my point is that so many solutions go straight into forcing people to drastic immediate change, which is bound to be unpopular and only increases division and resistance.
- thisGuyFlicks 3y agoWhy do you go directly to the extreme implementation? No one said anything about "enforcement". There are ways to push society towards a better paradigm without enforcement. We also shouldn't let the lowest common denominator have a say in the direction of society. People that "would go to war" over the fact that they should eat less red meat are not exactly of sound mind.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y agoSo your answer is "we'll just manipulate people without them noticing"? How will that not backfire? > People that "would go to war" over the fact that they should eat less red meat are not exactly of sound mind. I see nothing in their position that indicates they aren't of sound mind. They're inconvenient to your own position, and you're willing to manipulate them if you can manage the trick. Maybe you're worried that they will choose to "go to war" as manipulated people do so often once aware of the ruse?
- thisGuyFlicks 3y agoWho said anything about "manipulation"? Do you know that influence is not tantamount to manipulation? Do you know that many of your own behaviors are most likely subsidized by government and therefore you are being economically influenced (or in your perspective "manipulated")? Have you ever heard of a Sin Tax? Have you ever realized that Expansionary Policy is often put into place in order to influence (your perspective is "Manipulate"). I would encourage you to learn a little about economics before trying to hypothesize why and what makes people go to war.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago>Why do you go directly to the extreme implementation > We also shouldn't let the lowest common denominator have a say in the direction of society. I guess it's human nature, I don't know.
- thebigwinning 3y ago> We also shouldn't let the lowest common denominator have a say in the direction of society. Interesting. Do you see this as defending democracy?
- prox 3y agoBlack-and-white thinking, think in gradients! You eat meat X times a week? Try X -1 or more. Even a little bit helps tremendously. Everyone reading this who eat meat every day, try cutting down even one day, it will help.
- johnnyanmac 3y agoI will not, thank you for your input.
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- myshpa 3y agoInstead of beating your wife seven times a week, consider implementing "Beat-less Mondays" as a compassionate alternative.
- Eumenes 3y agoI'd go to war over that, but first, I'd start with a peaceful protest, like throwing plant based garbage into the harbor dressed as Ronald Mcdonald and fast food mascots