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IIRC isn’t a big problem that the burns also fall afoul of pollution rules? Did they fix that as well?

pixl97 3y ago
When the law is dumb the law is what needs to change. You either have a controlled burn that burns up trees and brush. Or you have an uncontrolled burn that burns up trees and brush and cars and homes and cities and people and every other harmful thing that you really shouldn't burn.
- taeric 3y ago
  This feels reductive and unlikely to help. Would you allow your neighbor to do a controlled burn of leaves in their yard against your fence? It is easy to see a straight line from that concept to this. Turns out, rule making is hard.
  - bradyd 3y ago
    > Would you allow your neighbor to do a controlled burn of leaves in their yard Yes, this is extremely common in the south east.
    - taeric 3y ago
      Uh... no? Letting them do it in their yard, fine. You do it against my fence, and you will get yelled at. It gets out of control and hits my property, you will be paying to fix it. That is, ultimately, the crux of the problem here. Literally, the point is they are building a fund so that prescribed burning can be insured. Edit: I should say that I'm playing loose here, as this is a conversation, not a debate. That said, I did include the "against your fence" on purpose. I'm well aware of rules on how you can burn, for example: https://www.cobbcounty.org/fire/fire-marshal/outdoor-burning https://www.cobbcounty.org/fire/fire-marshal/outdoor-burning.
      - anon39884444 3y ago
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  - bagacrap 3y ago
    Saying that air pollution shouldn't be one of the deciding factors when considering whether to do a controlled burn is very different from saying it should be a free for all.
    - taeric 3y ago
      But, pollution should be a factor? Like, literally. Is a big part of why you are not allowed to burn garbage. Rightly so.
      - jaywalk 3y ago
        You're completely missing the point. It's not burn vs. no burn, it's controlled burn vs. uncontrolled burn. The fire is going to happen one way or another, so why is pollution a bigger concern than saving lives and property?
        taeric 3y ago
        Sadly, that is you missing my point. I am not claiming that pollution alone should preclude the idea of doing burns. I am claiming that to reduce pollution concerns to being "dumb" is wrong. This is a hard area to regulate. Any attempt to minimize that is reductive and unlikely to be helpful. Is why I picked something i know is allowed, burning in your yard, but with a condition I know is basically never allowed, against my fence.
        jaywalk 3y ago
        The pollution is going to happen one way or another. That's why the idea of pollution concerns preventing controlled burns is dumb. The pollution cannot be prevented. Do you understand that?
        taeric 3y ago
        But nobody is claiming that pollution alone will prevent controlled burn? That is the reductive part that is problematic. They are a factor, in that you have to do it in a way that addresses pollution concerns. At large, that is probably going to include what accelerants and controls are allowed, as they will have a unique impact on the pollution generated. Or are you suggesting that the pollution can, in fact, not be controlled and impacted in ways that may need special mitigations?
  - Reubachi 3y ago
    Yes. This happens regularly in wooded areas, I did it growing up, as did my neighbors, and I do now (New Hampshire.) In fact, when there's no home depot, dump, or town pickup, what do you do? I'm joyed when my neighbor does it, because we do it to keep dried leaves off each other's property precisely to prevent fires in summer and make the same job easier next year. I'd rather burn my leaves to save my house.
    - taeric 3y ago
      Be sure to pay attention to "against your fence." Most every place has very clear rules on how you can do this. That is, i picked that example not because you can't burn in your yard, but because there are rules you have to follow. Doing it "at large" in a full state will clearly have more difficulties than doing it in your small yard.
      - warmwaffles 3y ago
        There are laws in almost ALL states that say you can not have a fire close to a structure. Here in Texas, it's 100 yards from any structure. A fence counts as a structure.

When the law is dumb the law is what needs to change. You either have a controlled burn that burns up trees and brush. Or you have an uncontrolled burn that burns up trees and brush and cars and homes and cities and people and every other harmful thing that you really shouldn't burn.

taeric 3y ago
This feels reductive and unlikely to help. Would you allow your neighbor to do a controlled burn of leaves in their yard against your fence? It is easy to see a straight line from that concept to this. Turns out, rule making is hard.
- bradyd 3y ago
  > Would you allow your neighbor to do a controlled burn of leaves in their yard Yes, this is extremely common in the south east.
  - taeric 3y ago
    Uh... no? Letting them do it in their yard, fine. You do it against my fence, and you will get yelled at. It gets out of control and hits my property, you will be paying to fix it. That is, ultimately, the crux of the problem here. Literally, the point is they are building a fund so that prescribed burning can be insured. Edit: I should say that I'm playing loose here, as this is a conversation, not a debate. That said, I did include the "against your fence" on purpose. I'm well aware of rules on how you can burn, for example: https://www.cobbcounty.org/fire/fire-marshal/outdoor-burning https://www.cobbcounty.org/fire/fire-marshal/outdoor-burning.
    - anon39884444 3y ago
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- bagacrap 3y ago
  Saying that air pollution shouldn't be one of the deciding factors when considering whether to do a controlled burn is very different from saying it should be a free for all.
  - taeric 3y ago
    But, pollution should be a factor? Like, literally. Is a big part of why you are not allowed to burn garbage. Rightly so.
    - jaywalk 3y ago
      You're completely missing the point. It's not burn vs. no burn, it's controlled burn vs. uncontrolled burn. The fire is going to happen one way or another, so why is pollution a bigger concern than saving lives and property?
      - taeric 3y ago
        Sadly, that is you missing my point. I am not claiming that pollution alone should preclude the idea of doing burns. I am claiming that to reduce pollution concerns to being "dumb" is wrong. This is a hard area to regulate. Any attempt to minimize that is reductive and unlikely to be helpful. Is why I picked something i know is allowed, burning in your yard, but with a condition I know is basically never allowed, against my fence.
        jaywalk 3y ago
        The pollution is going to happen one way or another. That's why the idea of pollution concerns preventing controlled burns is dumb. The pollution cannot be prevented. Do you understand that?
        taeric 3y ago
        But nobody is claiming that pollution alone will prevent controlled burn? That is the reductive part that is problematic. They are a factor, in that you have to do it in a way that addresses pollution concerns. At large, that is probably going to include what accelerants and controls are allowed, as they will have a unique impact on the pollution generated. Or are you suggesting that the pollution can, in fact, not be controlled and impacted in ways that may need special mitigations?
- Reubachi 3y ago
  Yes. This happens regularly in wooded areas, I did it growing up, as did my neighbors, and I do now (New Hampshire.) In fact, when there's no home depot, dump, or town pickup, what do you do? I'm joyed when my neighbor does it, because we do it to keep dried leaves off each other's property precisely to prevent fires in summer and make the same job easier next year. I'd rather burn my leaves to save my house.
  - taeric 3y ago
    Be sure to pay attention to "against your fence." Most every place has very clear rules on how you can do this. That is, i picked that example not because you can't burn in your yard, but because there are rules you have to follow. Doing it "at large" in a full state will clearly have more difficulties than doing it in your small yard.
    - warmwaffles 3y ago
      There are laws in almost ALL states that say you can not have a fire close to a structure. Here in Texas, it's 100 yards from any structure. A fence counts as a structure.