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Agreed. Alas, there is an aspect of over regulation. Does the trash can need to be certified to an extreme level of depth or can some solider in the machine sho

Agreed. Alas, there is an aspect of over regulation. Does the trash can need to be certified to an extreme level of depth or can some solider in the machine shop quickly throw something together? I think in many societies we’ve lost the wiggle room that allows for pragmatic solutions in the name of safety. Maybe the risk reduction was worth it? Maybe not. But arguments for risk averse behavior tend to win more than 50% of the time in democratic societies which accumulates a kind of “risk-avoidance-debt”.

cushychicken 3y ago
As a timely counterexample: someone is dropping five wreaths off a boat in the North Atlantic today because of an under regulated experimental transportation craft that failed catastrophically. I'd much rather fly on a plane that's regulated and certified out the nose than one that's not. I'd rather live in a country that invests in people's skills and knowledge than one th t doesn't.
- Asdrubalini 3y ago
  This is a trash can, not an aircraft's engine
  - sofixa 3y ago
    It's still on the plane. If nobody tested it at the pressure a plane is at, and it turns out it explodes and injures the crew, that's not great.
    - Asdrubalini 3y ago
      It's just a piece of metal, how can it explode?
      - Tangurena2 3y ago
        If it is the wrong metal, or wrong enough alloy, merely by touching the things it is in contact with can cause a galvanic reaction. Several airplanes have crashed due to damage caused by galvanic corrosion. The FAA is frequently called a "tombstone agency" because they tend to only take action after a bunch of people die. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion Mercury versus aluminum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdYueB9pY4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdYueB9pY4 In an earlier life, I shipped items requiring this particular hazmat label on packaging: https://www.safetyemporium.com/12332 https://www.safetyemporium.com/12332
    - ilyt 3y ago
      So borrow a vaccuum chamber, throw it there and certify new company doing trash cans. It won't cost 50k
      - hef19898 3y ago
        No, including profit it costs peopably somewhere around 200k for a run of 5 trash cans.
        ilyt 3y ago
        sure buddy, trashcan costing as much as building a custom car
        hef19898 3y ago
        In military aviation, including overhead amd profits? Yes. Fun fact, if parts are around 30k they can be treated as not worthy of repair. Instead, discard them and nuy a new one.
    - MagnumOpus 3y ago
      It has been tested. It has been sold and used commercially and by the government for $300 before. This is not an example of actual costs being $50k. It is an example of massive incentives on the seller’s side to rip off the one who pays (the US pop), and no incentives on the buyer’s side to care about it.

cushychicken 3y ago

As a timely counterexample: someone is dropping five wreaths off a boat in the North Atlantic today because of an under regulated experimental transportation craft that failed catastrophically. I'd much rather fly on a plane that's regulated and certified out the nose than one that's not. I'd rather live in a country that invests in people's skills and knowledge than one th t doesn't.

Asdrubalini 3y ago
This is a trash can, not an aircraft's engine
- sofixa 3y ago
  It's still on the plane. If nobody tested it at the pressure a plane is at, and it turns out it explodes and injures the crew, that's not great.
  - Asdrubalini 3y ago
    It's just a piece of metal, how can it explode?
    - Tangurena2 3y ago
      If it is the wrong metal, or wrong enough alloy, merely by touching the things it is in contact with can cause a galvanic reaction. Several airplanes have crashed due to damage caused by galvanic corrosion. The FAA is frequently called a "tombstone agency" because they tend to only take action after a bunch of people die. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion Mercury versus aluminum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdYueB9pY4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdYueB9pY4 In an earlier life, I shipped items requiring this particular hazmat label on packaging: https://www.safetyemporium.com/12332 https://www.safetyemporium.com/12332
  - ilyt 3y ago
    So borrow a vaccuum chamber, throw it there and certify new company doing trash cans. It won't cost 50k
    - hef19898 3y ago
      No, including profit it costs peopably somewhere around 200k for a run of 5 trash cans.
      - ilyt 3y ago
        sure buddy, trashcan costing as much as building a custom car
        hef19898 3y ago
        In military aviation, including overhead amd profits? Yes. Fun fact, if parts are around 30k they can be treated as not worthy of repair. Instead, discard them and nuy a new one.
  - MagnumOpus 3y ago
    It has been tested. It has been sold and used commercially and by the government for $300 before. This is not an example of actual costs being $50k. It is an example of massive incentives on the seller’s side to rip off the one who pays (the US pop), and no incentives on the buyer’s side to care about it.