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Amazon needs a process before deleting accounts to check if the target has a big social media presence somewhere that it might create a backlash. Such accounts

Amazon needs a process before deleting accounts to check if the target has a big social media presence somewhere that it might create a backlash. Such accounts need to be handled differently.

voytec 3y ago
My take from this video is that social media presence was the reason for account deletion. Amazon doesn't care about bad press (do they even get positive media coverage?). It's day like any other and it doesn't seem to hurt them.
- RobotToaster 3y ago
  >Amazon doesn't care about bad press They've literally deployed bots or paid shills[0] on twitter before to pretend to be happy amazon warehouse workers. [0]It wasn't clear which one.
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gnicholas 3y ago
I actually think triage systems like this are part of the problem. I know some social media management platforms offer this type of insights, so brands can be more responsive to people with large followings. But do they deserve better support than the rest of us?
- somenameforme 3y ago
  I'm certain the comment was ironic, emphasizing that there's a real possibility, if not probability, that Amazon has done this exact childish vindicative behavior on others, but we'd never know about it for those individuals lack the ability to reach millions at the tap of a button. It's also another warning about just blindly sacrificing your privacy or other interests to a massive corporation. Because that massive corporation, like any entity, is made up of lots of people - plenty of them just as petty and immature, as any other person.
  - gnicholas 3y ago
    Yes, may have been ironic; but did the first guy who was wronged have a big following on social media?
- bell-cot 3y ago
  > ...do they deserve better...? Morally, probably no. But humans are vastly more inclined to discrimination by caste / class / fame / etc. than they usually admit to, and failure to give special treatment to the "right" people will often generate a serious backlash. A CEO is responsible for his company's reputation and financial results - does he "deserve" his job if he ignores that unfortunate fact about the environment in which his business operates?
Terr_ 3y ago
While having a biased and unequal system like that would be beneficial to Amazon's bottom line... it sounds as if you're also saying it's a normatively-good thing. The flip-side of that approach is that the company can maximize unjust or arbitrary rules against "nobodies" who lack fame or political-clout.
otikik 3y ago
They should have the same process for all accounts. The process just needs to be good.
- ImHereToVote 3y ago
  But how will I satisfy my bootlicking needs if they had a good service?
pyeri 3y ago
How much of a nuisance it really is if an American got cancelled by Amazon+Google? Assuming any attempt to create an alt account will be thwarted by the process (name won't match credit cards or bank accounts, etc.), I can imagine a dystopian future ~20 years from now where such people will become absolute pariahs in the society. Especially if the current trend of smaller tech companies cow towing the lines of established big tech players continues.
- samtho 3y ago
  I’m imagining a dystopian future where to KYC gets way out of control and you are required to undergo a credit, background, and reference check to make an account on a major platform. My guess is that as more of the internet turns to shit that feeds an AI machine that consumes this shit only to regurgitate it later, there will be a need to find out who is really human anymore.
  - donmcronald 3y ago
    > My guess is that as more of the internet turns to shit that feeds an AI machine that consumes this shit only to regurgitate it later, there will be a need to find out who is really human anymore. Big tech is already setting up to take advantage of the situation and the “AI influx” is the narrative they’ll use to sell it to the average person. We’re going to end up with a verified ID system and Google, Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook will be the gatekeepers. IMO it’ll happen via Passwordless (auth) and I think the recent push for verification systems on porn sites is just a dry run for what they’ve got planned for the mainstream.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    Well, there are often scare-articles running about the "social credit system" in China, and I think that many corporate leaders are watching China very closely in order to establish the same systems in the West. I think that likewise, consumers should pay attention to how this takes shape in China, because we'll be next on the list for implementation and deployment.
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rmbyrro 3y ago
I hope you're being sarcastic here.

Amazon needs a process before deleting accounts to check if the target has a big social media presence somewhere that it might create a backlash. Such accounts need to be handled differently.

voytec 3y ago

My take from this video is that social media presence was the reason for account deletion. Amazon doesn't care about bad press (do they even get positive media coverage?). It's day like any other and it doesn't seem to hurt them.

RobotToaster 3y ago
>Amazon doesn't care about bad press They've literally deployed bots or paid shills[0] on twitter before to pretend to be happy amazon warehouse workers. [0]It wasn't clear which one.

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gnicholas 3y ago

I actually think triage systems like this are part of the problem. I know some social media management platforms offer this type of insights, so brands can be more responsive to people with large followings. But do they deserve better support than the rest of us?

somenameforme 3y ago
I'm certain the comment was ironic, emphasizing that there's a real possibility, if not probability, that Amazon has done this exact childish vindicative behavior on others, but we'd never know about it for those individuals lack the ability to reach millions at the tap of a button. It's also another warning about just blindly sacrificing your privacy or other interests to a massive corporation. Because that massive corporation, like any entity, is made up of lots of people - plenty of them just as petty and immature, as any other person.
- gnicholas 3y ago
  Yes, may have been ironic; but did the first guy who was wronged have a big following on social media?
bell-cot 3y ago
> ...do they deserve better...? Morally, probably no. But humans are vastly more inclined to discrimination by caste / class / fame / etc. than they usually admit to, and failure to give special treatment to the "right" people will often generate a serious backlash. A CEO is responsible for his company's reputation and financial results - does he "deserve" his job if he ignores that unfortunate fact about the environment in which his business operates?

Terr_ 3y ago

While having a biased and unequal system like that would be beneficial to Amazon's bottom line... it sounds as if you're also saying it's a normatively-good thing. The flip-side of that approach is that the company can maximize unjust or arbitrary rules against "nobodies" who lack fame or political-clout.

otikik 3y ago

They should have the same process for all accounts. The process just needs to be good.

ImHereToVote 3y ago
But how will I satisfy my bootlicking needs if they had a good service?

pyeri 3y ago

How much of a nuisance it really is if an American got cancelled by Amazon+Google? Assuming any attempt to create an alt account will be thwarted by the process (name won't match credit cards or bank accounts, etc.), I can imagine a dystopian future ~20 years from now where such people will become absolute pariahs in the society. Especially if the current trend of smaller tech companies cow towing the lines of established big tech players continues.

samtho 3y ago
I’m imagining a dystopian future where to KYC gets way out of control and you are required to undergo a credit, background, and reference check to make an account on a major platform. My guess is that as more of the internet turns to shit that feeds an AI machine that consumes this shit only to regurgitate it later, there will be a need to find out who is really human anymore.
- donmcronald 3y ago
  > My guess is that as more of the internet turns to shit that feeds an AI machine that consumes this shit only to regurgitate it later, there will be a need to find out who is really human anymore. Big tech is already setting up to take advantage of the situation and the “AI influx” is the narrative they’ll use to sell it to the average person. We’re going to end up with a verified ID system and Google, Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook will be the gatekeepers. IMO it’ll happen via Passwordless (auth) and I think the recent push for verification systems on porn sites is just a dry run for what they’ve got planned for the mainstream.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  Well, there are often scare-articles running about the "social credit system" in China, and I think that many corporate leaders are watching China very closely in order to establish the same systems in the West. I think that likewise, consumers should pay attention to how this takes shape in China, because we'll be next on the list for implementation and deployment.
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rmbyrro 3y ago

I hope you're being sarcastic here.