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Because it is so great, or because this is the last decent car which is 10k euro, and people cannot afford for example VW Polo?

friendzis 3y ago
Because of killer bang for buck. Dacias are essentially cheapened versions of Renault models. The cars are reliable enough for first two owners not to be bothered, so resale value does not drop too much. Of course the absolute price point is also relevant.
- carlmr 3y ago
  >The cars are reliable enough for first two owners not to be bothered They're really among the more reliable cars according to ADAC (German AAA): https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/unfall-schaden-panne/adac-pannenstatistik/ https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/unfall-schaden-panne/a...
- enigma20 3y ago
  Sure, but again. People are buying it because Dacias are the cheapest, and there is nothing cheaper besides some Chinese brands, which have questionable quality, and are not available on very market. My dad has Sandero. He bought it because he cannot afford any other new vehicle. If he could, he would have bought Kia X-ceed, or Toyota Yaris X-Cross or something similar.
ChuckNorris89 3y ago
Both reasons? If the Dacia Sandero was shit, people would just spend their 10k on a better second hand car instead.
- thazework 3y ago
  It even has decent crash test ratings, just to avoid getting hit by one if you can. https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/sandero+stepway/42506 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/sandero+stepway/42...
  - n3m4c 3y ago
    I think I would avoid getting hit by any car if I can
veave 3y ago
I live in Spain and: People only buy Dacia because they can't afford anything else. If they could you would see the Dacia market share shrink to almost zero. Some people cope with "Dacia is just a cheap Renault" the same they cope with "Seat (Spanish brand) is just a cheap Volkswagen", but deep down inside them they know they can't buy the car they really wanted.
- ffgjgf1 3y ago
  > buy Dacia because they can't afford anything else In much of Eastern Europe most people would just rather buy a beat up BMW or even a relatively decent one for 10-15k. To be fair I kind of feel the same. Getting a 2-3 old car seems like a better option than a brand new Dacia
  - friendzis 3y ago
    2-3 year old BMW for 10-15k? 116d with chains rattling. Let's be real here, new Dacias are bought by people who care about not visiting service every other month and total cost of ownership.
    - ffgjgf1 3y ago
      No, not BMW. You’d have to go 5+ years at very least. My point was that in a lot of places people who can’t afford a new car other than Dacia would still rather buy an older car from a more prestigious brand due to “reasons”.
  - NikolaNovak 3y ago
    Wouldn't old BMW kill you on maintenance and other costs of ownership compared to cheaper cars? For about 15 years I kept having a hyundai of one sort of another while my friend has Audis. Our regular planned maintenance and our repairs were about 500% different. Anecdata n=1 of course.
- ako 3y ago
  So? most people would buy expensive bmw’s, Porsches or ferarri’s if they could, but they can’t afford them, so they settle for opel, Renault, Hyundai , Toyota or other more affordable cars. Nothing wrong with that. What is surprising is that are not more brands focussing on the market targeted by Dacia.
jaclaz 3y ago
At least in Italy, nowadays a Sandero starts around 12,500 Euro for the base-base model, it is more likely that actual sold cars are in most cases more around 14,000 Euro. It remains the cheapest car avaialble, though the 10,000 price point is a thing of the past.
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  >It remains the cheapest car avaialble Really? What about the Fiat Panda?
  - jaclaz 3y ago
    The Fiat Panda nowadays (I know as we needed a small car and asked for one no more than 1 month ago) is realistically around 17,000 Euro, and (as said recent direct experience) they are going to deliver one no earlier than six-seven months (i.e. in practice it doesn't exist). A Renault Clio is around 18,000 Euro, three, more likely four, months time to deliver. The whole market is simply crazy in Italy right now, in the end we settled for a (more expensive, but actually also a little bit higher level) Hyundai I20, managed to get one in 10 days time (the only model they had available, with a few largely unneeded by us optionals) for around 23,000 Euro. All the mentioned models are so-called "mild-hybrids", so - at least in the case of the Hyundai - you have an useless small battery that prevents from having a spare tire/wheel.
    - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
      As a current-gen Panda owner I can't believe there's so much demand for such a terrible car. The Sendero is vastly superior in nearly every way. I only own it because it was dirt cheap second hand and was very satisfied with the previous gen model which was an actually good car. This one is not.
      - jaclaz 3y ago
        Yep, though currently they are not even very cheap used, right now a used Panda year 2021 with low mileage (10-20,000 km) is around 12,000-13,000 Euro. A 2019 one with relatively low mileage (50,000 to 60,000 km, maybe 70,000 km) is likely to be in the 9,000-10,000 Euro range. I wouldn't however attribute the scarcity exclusively to high demand, for all we know it could simply be under-production (for whatever technical reason or as part of a plan to sell higher priced models).

friendzis 3y ago

Because of killer bang for buck. Dacias are essentially cheapened versions of Renault models. The cars are reliable enough for first two owners not to be bothered, so resale value does not drop too much. Of course the absolute price point is also relevant.

carlmr 3y ago
>The cars are reliable enough for first two owners not to be bothered They're really among the more reliable cars according to ADAC (German AAA): https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/unfall-schaden-panne/adac-pannenstatistik/ https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/unfall-schaden-panne/a...
enigma20 3y ago
Sure, but again. People are buying it because Dacias are the cheapest, and there is nothing cheaper besides some Chinese brands, which have questionable quality, and are not available on very market. My dad has Sandero. He bought it because he cannot afford any other new vehicle. If he could, he would have bought Kia X-ceed, or Toyota Yaris X-Cross or something similar.

ChuckNorris89 3y ago

Both reasons? If the Dacia Sandero was shit, people would just spend their 10k on a better second hand car instead.

thazework 3y ago
It even has decent crash test ratings, just to avoid getting hit by one if you can. https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/sandero+stepway/42506 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/sandero+stepway/42...
- n3m4c 3y ago
  I think I would avoid getting hit by any car if I can

veave 3y ago

I live in Spain and: People only buy Dacia because they can't afford anything else. If they could you would see the Dacia market share shrink to almost zero. Some people cope with "Dacia is just a cheap Renault" the same they cope with "Seat (Spanish brand) is just a cheap Volkswagen", but deep down inside them they know they can't buy the car they really wanted.

ffgjgf1 3y ago
> buy Dacia because they can't afford anything else In much of Eastern Europe most people would just rather buy a beat up BMW or even a relatively decent one for 10-15k. To be fair I kind of feel the same. Getting a 2-3 old car seems like a better option than a brand new Dacia
- friendzis 3y ago
  2-3 year old BMW for 10-15k? 116d with chains rattling. Let's be real here, new Dacias are bought by people who care about not visiting service every other month and total cost of ownership.
  - ffgjgf1 3y ago
    No, not BMW. You’d have to go 5+ years at very least. My point was that in a lot of places people who can’t afford a new car other than Dacia would still rather buy an older car from a more prestigious brand due to “reasons”.
- NikolaNovak 3y ago
  Wouldn't old BMW kill you on maintenance and other costs of ownership compared to cheaper cars? For about 15 years I kept having a hyundai of one sort of another while my friend has Audis. Our regular planned maintenance and our repairs were about 500% different. Anecdata n=1 of course.
ako 3y ago
So? most people would buy expensive bmw’s, Porsches or ferarri’s if they could, but they can’t afford them, so they settle for opel, Renault, Hyundai , Toyota or other more affordable cars. Nothing wrong with that. What is surprising is that are not more brands focussing on the market targeted by Dacia.

jaclaz 3y ago

At least in Italy, nowadays a Sandero starts around 12,500 Euro for the base-base model, it is more likely that actual sold cars are in most cases more around 14,000 Euro. It remains the cheapest car avaialble, though the 10,000 price point is a thing of the past.

ChuckNorris89 3y ago
>It remains the cheapest car avaialble Really? What about the Fiat Panda?
- jaclaz 3y ago
  The Fiat Panda nowadays (I know as we needed a small car and asked for one no more than 1 month ago) is realistically around 17,000 Euro, and (as said recent direct experience) they are going to deliver one no earlier than six-seven months (i.e. in practice it doesn't exist). A Renault Clio is around 18,000 Euro, three, more likely four, months time to deliver. The whole market is simply crazy in Italy right now, in the end we settled for a (more expensive, but actually also a little bit higher level) Hyundai I20, managed to get one in 10 days time (the only model they had available, with a few largely unneeded by us optionals) for around 23,000 Euro. All the mentioned models are so-called "mild-hybrids", so - at least in the case of the Hyundai - you have an useless small battery that prevents from having a spare tire/wheel.
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    As a current-gen Panda owner I can't believe there's so much demand for such a terrible car. The Sendero is vastly superior in nearly every way. I only own it because it was dirt cheap second hand and was very satisfied with the previous gen model which was an actually good car. This one is not.
    - jaclaz 3y ago
      Yep, though currently they are not even very cheap used, right now a used Panda year 2021 with low mileage (10-20,000 km) is around 12,000-13,000 Euro. A 2019 one with relatively low mileage (50,000 to 60,000 km, maybe 70,000 km) is likely to be in the 9,000-10,000 Euro range. I wouldn't however attribute the scarcity exclusively to high demand, for all we know it could simply be under-production (for whatever technical reason or as part of a plan to sell higher priced models).