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>This is a lesson the entire tech industry would do well to meditate on. This is a lesson everyone in the business of making things would do well to meditate o

>This is a lesson the entire tech industry would do well to meditate on. This is a lesson everyone in the business of making things would do well to meditate on. Age and skin color, let alone sex, don't a good product make. It's whether the people involved have what it takes to make a good product. OceanGate clearly did not have what it takes, even if they did check all the proper identity boxes.

mulmen 3y ago
Yes, this applies to everyone. But I work in the tech industry so I’m speaking to that specifically. I’m in my late 30s and already feel the effects of ageism. Based on personal anecdotes that’s less of an issue in construction or farming for example.
Chris2048 3y ago
> OceanGate clearly did not have what it takes, even if they did check all the proper identity boxes. I don't think the ageism was some kind of identity politics - I assume it's b/c veterans refused to sign up to such an unsafe project, and the guy sugar-coated the dubious hiring practise by implying it was his choice not to hire them.
- whatshisface 3y ago
  Why the gymnastics to avoid the obvious interpretation of his statement? Ageism is a widely known failing in the tech industry and hardly has any "rare disease" bayesian bias going against it...
  - Chris2048 3y ago
    I don't understand what you are saying; first of all, this isn't the tech industry..
    - whatshisface 3y ago
      The dynamics in engineering companies have a lot in common with the dynamics in software companies.
      - Chris2048 3y ago
        In this context, hiring sub veterans, often ex military, didn't seem similar. Also, I don't think software companies do operate like engineering corps, especially safety critical ones. safety critical software companies themselves are a different breed.
Aerbil313 3y ago
> Age and skin color, let alone sex, don't a good product make. Is this “don’t a good product make” considered (maybe not official grammar but) “right” English grammar? I’m not a native.
- onemiketwelve 3y ago
  It is apparently called anastrophe, but yes it is correct but not common. I figured it's a hold over from Germanic sentence structures. As far as I can think of really it's only ever used in this type of sentence "something... Does not a adjective make" Gpt4 seems to think it has no relation to Germanic roots of the language but my gut tells me there's probably no way this ordering finds it's way to English without that history https://chat.openai.com/share/0c9a56d5-75e3-493f-96b2-2ac3a8636bc0 https://chat.openai.com/share/0c9a56d5-75e3-493f-96b2-2ac3a8...

mulmen 3y ago

Yes, this applies to everyone. But I work in the tech industry so I’m speaking to that specifically. I’m in my late 30s and already feel the effects of ageism. Based on personal anecdotes that’s less of an issue in construction or farming for example.

Chris2048 3y ago

> OceanGate clearly did not have what it takes, even if they did check all the proper identity boxes. I don't think the ageism was some kind of identity politics - I assume it's b/c veterans refused to sign up to such an unsafe project, and the guy sugar-coated the dubious hiring practise by implying it was his choice not to hire them.

whatshisface 3y ago
Why the gymnastics to avoid the obvious interpretation of his statement? Ageism is a widely known failing in the tech industry and hardly has any "rare disease" bayesian bias going against it...
- Chris2048 3y ago
  I don't understand what you are saying; first of all, this isn't the tech industry..
  - whatshisface 3y ago
    The dynamics in engineering companies have a lot in common with the dynamics in software companies.
    - Chris2048 3y ago
      In this context, hiring sub veterans, often ex military, didn't seem similar. Also, I don't think software companies do operate like engineering corps, especially safety critical ones. safety critical software companies themselves are a different breed.

Aerbil313 3y ago

> Age and skin color, let alone sex, don't a good product make. Is this “don’t a good product make” considered (maybe not official grammar but) “right” English grammar? I’m not a native.

onemiketwelve 3y ago
It is apparently called anastrophe, but yes it is correct but not common. I figured it's a hold over from Germanic sentence structures. As far as I can think of really it's only ever used in this type of sentence "something... Does not a adjective make" Gpt4 seems to think it has no relation to Germanic roots of the language but my gut tells me there's probably no way this ordering finds it's way to English without that history https://chat.openai.com/share/0c9a56d5-75e3-493f-96b2-2ac3a8636bc0 https://chat.openai.com/share/0c9a56d5-75e3-493f-96b2-2ac3a8...