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Who died and made you the authority on layman terms? I'm pretty sure most people if they heard "drowned" would assumed that it was because they had water in the

Who died and made you the authority on layman terms? I'm pretty sure most people if they heard "drowned" would assumed that it was because they had water in their lungs

stcroixx 3y ago
Agree, am layman. Dying in a fire underwater is not drowning.
krisoft 3y ago
> Who died and made you the authority on layman terms? Fair. I'm not an expert on it or anything. But I do listen to how people speak, and what they mean. Many people are using words loosely. I searched on twitter for tweets with the term "drowned". Scrolled through a few hundred, and filtered out the ones which were talking about the Titan incident and which said or implied that the people on-board "drowned". I found 5 such tweets. This is of course not an exhaustive sample, but is what I have now. Here are the five tweets (please don't harass any of these people, also I'm not endorsing these tweets in any way) - https://twitter.com/OfSymbols/status/1671581923825668098 https://twitter.com/OfSymbols/status/1671581923825668098 - https://twitter.com/samphiresprite/status/1671965938558574593 https://twitter.com/samphiresprite/status/167196593855857459... - https://twitter.com/Devin_Young_/status/1671237153446035456 https://twitter.com/Devin_Young_/status/1671237153446035456 - https://twitter.com/NagaSlateTTV/status/1672006200538570752 https://twitter.com/NagaSlateTTV/status/1672006200538570752 - https://twitter.com/martinvars/status/1671994282478010368 https://twitter.com/martinvars/status/1671994282478010368 Do read them. Do you have the impression that these people considered the failure modes of a submersible and concluded that the people on-board died due to a slow leak filling up the cabin and their lungs filling up with water? Or it is more likely that they use the word "drowned" as a loose shorthand for "died under water / died due to the sea"? I think they more likely did the second. Either never considered how one dies on a submarine, or they were writing without care for exactitude. In fact I have evidence for this second one in one of these cases. Devin_Young_ who claims to be a veteran submariner and he was called out[1] in a later tweet for the implications of the term "drowned". His answer was "I used “drowned” loosely. You are correct; it would be violent, and instantaneous.". Also NagaSlateTTV used the hastag "implosion" right after calling those lost "drowned". Which to me implies that they are using the term in a more general way, rather than precisely per the definition. 1: https://twitter.com/Devin_Young_/status/1671267529392783360 https://twitter.com/Devin_Young_/status/1671267529392783360

Who died and made you the authority on layman terms? I'm pretty sure most people if they heard "drowned" would assumed that it was because they had water in their lungs

stcroixx 3y ago

Agree, am layman. Dying in a fire underwater is not drowning.

krisoft 3y ago

> Who died and made you the authority on layman terms? Fair. I'm not an expert on it or anything. But I do listen to how people speak, and what they mean. Many people are using words loosely. I searched on twitter for tweets with the term "drowned". Scrolled through a few hundred, and filtered out the ones which were talking about the Titan incident and which said or implied that the people on-board "drowned". I found 5 such tweets. This is of course not an exhaustive sample, but is what I have now. Here are the five tweets (please don't harass any of these people, also I'm not endorsing these tweets in any way) - https://twitter.com/OfSymbols/status/1671581923825668098 https://twitter.com/OfSymbols/status/1671581923825668098 - https://twitter.com/samphiresprite/status/1671965938558574593 https://twitter.com/samphiresprite/status/167196593855857459... - https://twitter.com/Devin_Young_/status/1671237153446035456 https://twitter.com/Devin_Young_/status/1671237153446035456 - https://twitter.com/NagaSlateTTV/status/1672006200538570752 https://twitter.com/NagaSlateTTV/status/1672006200538570752 - https://twitter.com/martinvars/status/1671994282478010368 https://twitter.com/martinvars/status/1671994282478010368 Do read them. Do you have the impression that these people considered the failure modes of a submersible and concluded that the people on-board died due to a slow leak filling up the cabin and their lungs filling up with water? Or it is more likely that they use the word "drowned" as a loose shorthand for "died under water / died due to the sea"? I think they more likely did the second. Either never considered how one dies on a submarine, or they were writing without care for exactitude. In fact I have evidence for this second one in one of these cases. Devin_Young_ who claims to be a veteran submariner and he was called out[1] in a later tweet for the implications of the term "drowned". His answer was "I used “drowned” loosely. You are correct; it would be violent, and instantaneous.". Also NagaSlateTTV used the hastag "implosion" right after calling those lost "drowned". Which to me implies that they are using the term in a more general way, rather than precisely per the definition. 1: https://twitter.com/Devin_Young_/status/1671267529392783360 https://twitter.com/Devin_Young_/status/1671267529392783360