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Anger in Japan as report reveals children were forcibly sterilised

19 points by lisasays 3y ago

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
This brings to mind the genocidal "coil campaign" of eugenics against indigenous Greenlanders, and the 100% abortion rate in Iceland of children who may have had Down syndrome. It's monstrous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_case
- pfannkuchen 3y ago
  This sort of thing sounds too cartoonishly evil for Denmark to have done at the government level so recently (i.e. not in the 1600s). Was this really a targeted thing, or is it like a chain of sources over time, each citing a controversial subset of the prior one until it sounds like it was specifically targeting a certain group?
- Affric 3y ago
  > the 100% abortion rate in Iceland of children who may have had Down syndrome My understanding is that, like in many developed countries, Down’s syndrome screening is offered during pregnancy and the choice is left to the would be parents. Regardless of your views on abortion this appears to be a very different set of circumstances to the Spiral Case.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    That seems like a great idea! Hey, I'm curious though, does the doctor approach the unborn child, and ask what he or she would choose? Are they presented with the statistics on false positives for prenatal screenings? Do you think they would have something to say about their human rights, discrimination, or ableism? Or are they just unpersons with no rights of their own?
    - maldev 3y ago
      Nature's cruel and in modern society there's a shrinking place for people without advanced skills. And odds are that a child with a cognitive disability like that wouldn't be able to have advanced skills. So the child is nearly always going to be put into the "Have not" category. A human isn't a pet, and having a child who is always going to struggle to be independent isn't good for society, or anyone involved. With modern medicine we can stop alot of cruelty, like childhood illnesses and such, and we can also screen for these things. Not only this, but the resources taken could've been given to others with far more potential. You could deny child #2 from being a doctor due to the resources that must be given to child #1, and robbing one child for another isn't right, especially when it's wasted.
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        Congratulations, your comment enthusiastically epitomizes ableism, utilitarianism, and nihilism. Would you volunteer to be euthanized so that I can make better use of your resources?
        Our_Benefactors 3y ago
        > Would you volunteer to be euthanized so that I can make better use of your resources? I wish this false equivalency would stop. > ableism Yeah, how horrifying that you’ve expressed a preference for society to be made of the able bodied and sound of mind. What a revolting idea! Despicable monster! Everyone should have the right to be absolutely wretched, mentally deranged, and at the whims of state care.
        mnky9800n 3y ago
        Feeding trolls only makes them more hungry.
        NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        > Yeah, how horrifying that you’ve expressed a preference for society to be made of the able bodied and sound of mind. I can think of a few world leaders who have expressed that preference, according to very particular definitions, and in fact took concrete steps to make their preference a reality. Is that the sort of leader you want for yourself?
treeman79 3y ago
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19 points by lisasays 3y ago

This brings to mind the genocidal "coil campaign" of eugenics against indigenous Greenlanders, and the 100% abortion rate in Iceland of children who may have had Down syndrome. It's monstrous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_case

pfannkuchen 3y ago
This sort of thing sounds too cartoonishly evil for Denmark to have done at the government level so recently (i.e. not in the 1600s). Was this really a targeted thing, or is it like a chain of sources over time, each citing a controversial subset of the prior one until it sounds like it was specifically targeting a certain group?
Affric 3y ago
> the 100% abortion rate in Iceland of children who may have had Down syndrome My understanding is that, like in many developed countries, Down’s syndrome screening is offered during pregnancy and the choice is left to the would be parents. Regardless of your views on abortion this appears to be a very different set of circumstances to the Spiral Case.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  That seems like a great idea! Hey, I'm curious though, does the doctor approach the unborn child, and ask what he or she would choose? Are they presented with the statistics on false positives for prenatal screenings? Do you think they would have something to say about their human rights, discrimination, or ableism? Or are they just unpersons with no rights of their own?
  - maldev 3y ago
    Nature's cruel and in modern society there's a shrinking place for people without advanced skills. And odds are that a child with a cognitive disability like that wouldn't be able to have advanced skills. So the child is nearly always going to be put into the "Have not" category. A human isn't a pet, and having a child who is always going to struggle to be independent isn't good for society, or anyone involved. With modern medicine we can stop alot of cruelty, like childhood illnesses and such, and we can also screen for these things. Not only this, but the resources taken could've been given to others with far more potential. You could deny child #2 from being a doctor due to the resources that must be given to child #1, and robbing one child for another isn't right, especially when it's wasted.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      Congratulations, your comment enthusiastically epitomizes ableism, utilitarianism, and nihilism. Would you volunteer to be euthanized so that I can make better use of your resources?
      - Our_Benefactors 3y ago
        > Would you volunteer to be euthanized so that I can make better use of your resources? I wish this false equivalency would stop. > ableism Yeah, how horrifying that you’ve expressed a preference for society to be made of the able bodied and sound of mind. What a revolting idea! Despicable monster! Everyone should have the right to be absolutely wretched, mentally deranged, and at the whims of state care.
        mnky9800n 3y ago
        Feeding trolls only makes them more hungry.
        NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        > Yeah, how horrifying that you’ve expressed a preference for society to be made of the able bodied and sound of mind. I can think of a few world leaders who have expressed that preference, according to very particular definitions, and in fact took concrete steps to make their preference a reality. Is that the sort of leader you want for yourself?

treeman79 3y ago

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