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Well, we've had US intelligence, and specifically SOSUS, make its way to the public before, like with [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident https://e

Well, we've had US intelligence, and specifically SOSUS, make its way to the public before, like with [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident

cushychicken 3y ago
They used SOSUS to detect what happened to the USS Scorpion when it disappeared. Wasn't disclosed until many, many years later. SOSUS was highly classified until very recently.
- garbagecoder 3y ago
  SOSUS may have been classified but you could read about it 40+ years ago.
  - cushychicken 3y ago
    But not it's true purpose: tracking Soviet submarines.
    - twoodfin 3y ago
      It wasn’t quite 40 years ago, but there’s a line in the film The Hunt for Red October (1990) that explicitly describes SOSUS as a submarine “warning net”. Knowing Tom Clancy, I’d guess there are similar references in the book (1984). If it was meant to be a secret it wasn’t well-kept.
      - garbagecoder 3y ago
        Script written in 1982. People thought he had access to classified info, but he didn't.[1] He was just using what we now call OSINT. There is a lot more about SOSUS in Red Storm Rising which was only a few years later. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/1986/08/12/books/author-of-red-october-stirs-up-a-red-storm.html https://www.nytimes.com/1986/08/12/books/author-of-red-octob...
    - garbagecoder 3y ago
      Yes, people knew it's true purpose then. They were wrong about how it was laid out, but people knew about it. It was declassified 30 years ago or so. And much of it was not top secret, just secret. We use entirely different computers and networks for "just" secret vs. unclassified vs. "top" secret. The exact way they do it now, where they do it, etc. is the secret. The mere existence of a sensitive listening system is not a secret that endangers national security if known; the opposite is true, we want people to know/think they can't move a tennis ball underwater without us hearing it. Knowing enough about it to get past it is such a secret.
8bitsrule 3y ago
Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS (article created 2003)

Well, we've had US intelligence, and specifically SOSUS, make its way to the public before, like with [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident

cushychicken 3y ago

They used SOSUS to detect what happened to the USS Scorpion when it disappeared. Wasn't disclosed until many, many years later. SOSUS was highly classified until very recently.

garbagecoder 3y ago
SOSUS may have been classified but you could read about it 40+ years ago.
- cushychicken 3y ago
  But not it's true purpose: tracking Soviet submarines.
  - twoodfin 3y ago
    It wasn’t quite 40 years ago, but there’s a line in the film The Hunt for Red October (1990) that explicitly describes SOSUS as a submarine “warning net”. Knowing Tom Clancy, I’d guess there are similar references in the book (1984). If it was meant to be a secret it wasn’t well-kept.
    - garbagecoder 3y ago
      Script written in 1982. People thought he had access to classified info, but he didn't.[1] He was just using what we now call OSINT. There is a lot more about SOSUS in Red Storm Rising which was only a few years later. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/1986/08/12/books/author-of-red-october-stirs-up-a-red-storm.html https://www.nytimes.com/1986/08/12/books/author-of-red-octob...
  - garbagecoder 3y ago
    Yes, people knew it's true purpose then. They were wrong about how it was laid out, but people knew about it. It was declassified 30 years ago or so. And much of it was not top secret, just secret. We use entirely different computers and networks for "just" secret vs. unclassified vs. "top" secret. The exact way they do it now, where they do it, etc. is the secret. The mere existence of a sensitive listening system is not a secret that endangers national security if known; the opposite is true, we want people to know/think they can't move a tennis ball underwater without us hearing it. Knowing enough about it to get past it is such a secret.

8bitsrule 3y ago

Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS (article created 2003)