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I don’t like the government being able to do this, but common sense seems to dictate that in cases where the user has freely given out their information and whe

I don’t like the government being able to do this, but common sense seems to dictate that in cases where the user has freely given out their information and where a private citizen can go buy that information, the government should be able to buy it.

JohnFen 3y ago
> in cases where the user has freely given out their information How often have people freely given their information? I'd argue that if you have to give out information in order to live, that doesn't count as freely giving it. That's being compelled to give it. In US society, it's literally impossible to live without giving your information to a variety of entities.
- constantly 3y ago
  I freely give out my information when I choose to use Facebook, Instagram, MySpace, google maps while logged into google, sweetgreen for ordering for pick up, Uber eats while ordering for delivery. There are myriad of cases where people choose to give out their personal information — and yes before you protest: I can live without having my Sweetgreen ready when I arrive (versus ordering at the terminal when I arrive) or without Uber delivering my meal (I can go to the restaurant). I acknowledge there are cases where it’s effectively impossible in modern society, such as with giving out your info to get a cell phone, but believe by verbiage “freely giving out information” accounts for this.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    Lets say you live in a cul-de-sac for this. I setup a camera recording everything you do in your lawn and document when leave and come back to your house. I bundle this up with everyone else's information and sell this to the government. Where was your "freely giving information out at". You quickly turn into "even going outside removes any privacy I have and the government can pretty much track everything I do". Also, going to those stores will gladly track you with cameras too. You're left farming weeds in the mountains to get away from this.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    I'm not at all talking about optional goods and services. > I acknowledge there are cases where it’s effectively impossible in modern society, such as with giving out your info to get a cell phone Or if you pay rent, own real estate or a car, buy anything using a method other than cash, have electrical or other utility service, etc. You are forced to give out your information for almost everything you need in order to live in modern society.

JohnFen 3y ago

> in cases where the user has freely given out their information How often have people freely given their information? I'd argue that if you have to give out information in order to live, that doesn't count as freely giving it. That's being compelled to give it. In US society, it's literally impossible to live without giving your information to a variety of entities.

constantly 3y ago
I freely give out my information when I choose to use Facebook, Instagram, MySpace, google maps while logged into google, sweetgreen for ordering for pick up, Uber eats while ordering for delivery. There are myriad of cases where people choose to give out their personal information — and yes before you protest: I can live without having my Sweetgreen ready when I arrive (versus ordering at the terminal when I arrive) or without Uber delivering my meal (I can go to the restaurant). I acknowledge there are cases where it’s effectively impossible in modern society, such as with giving out your info to get a cell phone, but believe by verbiage “freely giving out information” accounts for this.
- pixl97 3y ago
  Lets say you live in a cul-de-sac for this. I setup a camera recording everything you do in your lawn and document when leave and come back to your house. I bundle this up with everyone else's information and sell this to the government. Where was your "freely giving information out at". You quickly turn into "even going outside removes any privacy I have and the government can pretty much track everything I do". Also, going to those stores will gladly track you with cameras too. You're left farming weeds in the mountains to get away from this.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  I'm not at all talking about optional goods and services. > I acknowledge there are cases where it’s effectively impossible in modern society, such as with giving out your info to get a cell phone Or if you pay rent, own real estate or a car, buy anything using a method other than cash, have electrical or other utility service, etc. You are forced to give out your information for almost everything you need in order to live in modern society.