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Thank you for calling this out. It's also disheartening and quite frankly scary, to see how the passengers get dehumanized on other online platforms due to thei
by ajmurmann 3y ago
Thank you for calling this out. It's also disheartening and quite frankly scary, to see how the passengers get dehumanized on other online platforms due to their wealth.
- AlecSchueler 3y agoI think people are angry when, as others have mentioned, there are more resources and international cooperation going into helping these 5 people who took a needless risk while we watch 100s dying regularly while they try to flee literal war ones in regions we've destabilised for years. You can also see in this thread people calling them "precious lives" as though that doesn't apply to the people making the ultimate sacrifice to try and bring their families to safety. I have nothing against people being rich but it's frankly scary to see these refugees be dehumanised, framed as economic immigrants and become victim to to increasing legislation to keep them out of safety on the basis that we can't afford them using our resources when we suddenly have resources enough to spend on extensive missions to search for people who made bad decisions for fun and risked the lives of others for nothing but profit and fame.
- mirko22 3y agoWho’s we that destabilised these countries? Cos I bet you it’s is not the countries that they are sailing to. If you want to call them refugees then take them home. They are economic migrants where “we” live.
- hef19898 3y agoI live were those poor people try to go, and I call them refugees. I also say we, because as a voting citizen of one of those countries that did some of said destabilazing over the years, I cannot wash myself of all responsibility.
- bombcar 3y agoI’m starting to think that’s the primary purpose of voting - to get people to feel complicit in actions they didn’t want by people they didn’t want in places they didn’t know existed.
- jacquesm 3y agoIn Switzerland it pretty much works exactly like that.
- ElFitz 3y agoThat, and providing legitimacy to the existing power structures, no matter how much of a say people actually have. And delegitimising all others forms of feedback and expression.
- hef19898 3y agoThan you have a clearly distorted view of democracy. And I do not feel complicit, why would I? But, as part of the Western democratic world, I cannot simply ignore everything we did all over the world in the last 20 odd years and pretend it was some outside force doing all of that. Democracy, regardless of shape in form, is exactly about giving people a voice in those affaires. Which is a good thing, IMHO.
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- ubercow13 3y agoThe recent boat that sank was sailing to Italy from Libya, one of its ex-colonies.
- ElFitz 3y agoFrance, the UK, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands and Italy have each spent a couple centuries having fun destabilising the whole world for their own gain. The US was a bit late to the game, but appears to have caught up quite well. And while in Europe these people often first set sail for the western Balkans, it usually isn’t their destination.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago"We" would be roughly the members of NATO and its allies, former colonial powers and the countries traditionally within the sphere of Catholic influence. Where are they sailing to that this doesn't cover? The recent example being spoken about in this thread was trying to make it to Italy, which has been involved in various conflicts in the middle east since the middle ages.
- ajmurmann 3y agoAll that's awful and I hope we can make it better. That said, the humans on that silly submarine have very little to do with what we are and aren't doing about refugees in the Mediterranean.
- ubermonkey 3y agoIt's not inherently dehumanizing to point out that, well, this was death by misadventure, and was profoundly avoidable. If you die doing something dumb, then yeah, people are gonna point that out. If you die doing something dumb that you spent house money to do, the pointing out will be much more pointed.
- carbine 3y agoit's not the assertion that it was avoidable I'm objecting to, it's the 'not gonna shed a tear' <3
- predictabl3 3y agoSure, or maybe, just maybe it's because of the brazen hubris enabled by their wealthy and not the wealth itself.
- ajmurmann 3y agoI wonder to what degree the hubris causes the wealth. You need a high degree of certainty in yourself and your ideas to succeed in many ventures. I've seen people work their way up organizations who I think are much less competent and thoughtful than I'm, but they at least outwardly present themselves with certainty. Often times people liker that already got promoted away before the downsides of their decisions materialize. In other instances we might never hear about them, because nobody cares about the guy under the freeway bridge who has similar character traits to Elon Musk or Steve Jobs, but got less lucky or was slightly less smart or well connected.
- carbine 3y agoStill not a reason to completely dehumanize people.
- scotty79 3y agoWhy not? Rich have no qualms about dehumanizing the poor. And many more of them at that. Because rich are few and poor are many.
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- carbine 3y agoWhatabouism. Also tragic. Being sad over this does not preclude being sad about those events.