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I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown

I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find you. And not just the rich either, no matter what Twitter would have you believe.

krisoft 3y ago
> I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find you I wouldn’t know, because i live in the kind of society where if you are lost at sea and you call for help but the call handler assumes that you have the wrong kind of passport they just tell you to call some other country and then hung up on you. [1] But i would rather live in the kind of society where we spend our pooled resources to heal those who have fallen sick, than in one where we spend our pooled resources to rescue statistical anomalies. Everyone can become sick one day, not everyone will get suckered to buy a deluxe sea going group coffin by a conman. 1: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/13/uk-coastguard-telling-refugees-in-british-waters-to-contact-the-french https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/13/uk-coastguar...
- ApolloFortyNine 3y ago
  Pretty disingenuous when those 'refugees' were simply planning on illegally entering the UK, and everyone involved knew it. >The refugee said it was his fourth attempt to cross the Channel. During the previous three attempts French police had caught them on the beach and punctured their dinghies with knives. Honestly didn't realize though refugees thought the benefits in the UK were better than France's.
  - crygin 3y ago
    And now they're dead, and every single person involved in in the execution of that process is a murderer.
  - krisoft 3y ago
    Not disingenous at all. They were lost at sea and there were no irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find them. There were not even rational level of resources thrown into trying to find them. There were not even half-assed-pretending-to-care level of resources thrown into trying to find them. This is a simple observation of facts. If you don’t like some implication if it so bad for you. I don’t like it either, but I suspect we disagree in what way we don’t like the implications.
  - amatecha 3y ago
    Absolutely irrelevant. When hundreds of peoples' lives are at risk, and you have the opportunity to save them, you do so. If they're doing something you fundamentally disagree with (like piloting an obviously-unsafe vessel to 4km underwater), you do your best to rescue them anyways.
  - archagon 3y ago
    Who gives a shit?! They were still human beings.
inferiorhuman 3y ago
I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find you. Sure, if you're rich. And not just the rich either, no matter what Twitter would have you believe. If you're poor you'll end up like the hundreds of children still stuck on the Andriana.
- solumunus 3y ago
  What about the insane amount of resources poured into saving that group of Thai teenagers trapped in a cave? That was a huge, extremely costly effort.
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
    What about them? The warnings about the cave admonish people to not enter it between July and November, the group went in towards the end of June. Oceangate had been warned by pretty much anyone with any knowledge of their efforts. They fired and sued their Director of Marine Ops who tried for stricter safety measures. They've already had to repair stress damage to the hull before the final dive. They were using parts not expected to hold up to 4000m dives, they were using flammable materials inside the sub. The Thai team did something generally recognized as safe, and got caught up in a bad situation. The Oceangate folks did something that they'd been warned against repeatedly and consistently, something nobody thought was safe. Oceangate took every opportunity to do the wrong thing and try to profit off of it. Insofar as wealth has anything to do with it, pedo guy happens to be pretty damn wealthy (ex financial broker). If those Thai kids hadn't caught a rich guy's attention their misadventure would've been a mere footnote.

krisoft 3y ago

> I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find you I wouldn’t know, because i live in the kind of society where if you are lost at sea and you call for help but the call handler assumes that you have the wrong kind of passport they just tell you to call some other country and then hung up on you. [1] But i would rather live in the kind of society where we spend our pooled resources to heal those who have fallen sick, than in one where we spend our pooled resources to rescue statistical anomalies. Everyone can become sick one day, not everyone will get suckered to buy a deluxe sea going group coffin by a conman. 1: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/13/uk-coastguard-telling-refugees-in-british-waters-to-contact-the-french https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/13/uk-coastguar...

ApolloFortyNine 3y ago
Pretty disingenuous when those 'refugees' were simply planning on illegally entering the UK, and everyone involved knew it. >The refugee said it was his fourth attempt to cross the Channel. During the previous three attempts French police had caught them on the beach and punctured their dinghies with knives. Honestly didn't realize though refugees thought the benefits in the UK were better than France's.
- crygin 3y ago
  And now they're dead, and every single person involved in in the execution of that process is a murderer.
- krisoft 3y ago
  Not disingenous at all. They were lost at sea and there were no irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find them. There were not even rational level of resources thrown into trying to find them. There were not even half-assed-pretending-to-care level of resources thrown into trying to find them. This is a simple observation of facts. If you don’t like some implication if it so bad for you. I don’t like it either, but I suspect we disagree in what way we don’t like the implications.
- amatecha 3y ago
  Absolutely irrelevant. When hundreds of peoples' lives are at risk, and you have the opportunity to save them, you do so. If they're doing something you fundamentally disagree with (like piloting an obviously-unsafe vessel to 4km underwater), you do your best to rescue them anyways.
- archagon 3y ago
  Who gives a shit?! They were still human beings.

inferiorhuman 3y ago

I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find you. Sure, if you're rich. And not just the rich either, no matter what Twitter would have you believe. If you're poor you'll end up like the hundreds of children still stuck on the Andriana.

solumunus 3y ago
What about the insane amount of resources poured into saving that group of Thai teenagers trapped in a cave? That was a huge, extremely costly effort.
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  What about them? The warnings about the cave admonish people to not enter it between July and November, the group went in towards the end of June. Oceangate had been warned by pretty much anyone with any knowledge of their efforts. They fired and sued their Director of Marine Ops who tried for stricter safety measures. They've already had to repair stress damage to the hull before the final dive. They were using parts not expected to hold up to 4000m dives, they were using flammable materials inside the sub. The Thai team did something generally recognized as safe, and got caught up in a bad situation. The Oceangate folks did something that they'd been warned against repeatedly and consistently, something nobody thought was safe. Oceangate took every opportunity to do the wrong thing and try to profit off of it. Insofar as wealth has anything to do with it, pedo guy happens to be pretty damn wealthy (ex financial broker). If those Thai kids hadn't caught a rich guy's attention their misadventure would've been a mere footnote.