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Did Oceangate or its founder(s) say they intended to 'move fast and break things', or are you just imputing that they held those beliefs? The company purported

by nickff 3y ago

Did Oceangate or its founder(s) say they intended to 'move fast and break things', or are you just imputing that they held those beliefs? The company purported to "maintain[] high-level operational safety".

lamontcg 3y ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20230619161930/https://oceangate.com/news-and-media/blog/2019-0221-why-titan-is-not-classed.html https://web.archive.org/web/20230619161930/https://oceangate... Pretty much says it there along with a rationalization about why the company should ignore any outside experts due to "innovation".
jacquesm 3y ago
Yes. The founder is on record as saying that he thinks safety is wasteful or something to that effect and many other choice quotes besides. https://www.google.com/search?q=stockton+rush+quotes https://www.google.com/search?q=stockton+rush+quotes
- GoToRO 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - npunt 3y ago
    Nominative determinism strikes again, sadly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_determinism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_determinism
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      In an effort to stave off the effects of this phenomenon a dutch architect changed his name from 'Rothuizen' (rotten houses) to 'Rotshuizen' (houses solid as a rock). https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evert_Jan_Rotshuizen https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evert_Jan_Rotshuizen
  - kubb 3y ago
    Was.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
> Metro reports that last year, when asked about the safety of the Titan submersible, Stockton Rush, OceanGate’s CEO, said, “You know, there’s a limit. At some point safety just is pure waste. I mean if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed. Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything. At some point, you’re going to take some risk, and it really is a risk/reward question. I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules.” https://jalopnik.com/oceangate-ceo-called-safety-a-waste-suit-claimed-titan-1850560257 https://jalopnik.com/oceangate-ceo-called-safety-a-waste-sui...
- throwanem 3y ago
  I believe the kids call this "finding out." Or, as Feynman once put it: "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
- light_hue_1 3y ago
  You live and learn! Err..
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    zero out of two
- lm28469 3y ago
  > it really is a risk/reward question risk: die reward: cool pic on instagram
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - msm_ 3y ago
    Depends on the risk probability, I guess. Walking across the street has nonzero chance of dying. By that logic going to a shop for an icecream has low reward (icecream) and high risk (death).
ceejayoz 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OceanGate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OceanGate > Rush's experience and research led him to two basic conclusions: one, that submersibles had an unwarranted reputation as dangerous vehicles due to their use in ferrying commercial divers, and two, the Passenger Vessel Safety Act of 1993 "needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation".

by nickff 3y ago

lamontcg 3y ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20230619161930/https://oceangate.com/news-and-media/blog/2019-0221-why-titan-is-not-classed.html https://web.archive.org/web/20230619161930/https://oceangate... Pretty much says it there along with a rationalization about why the company should ignore any outside experts due to "innovation".

jacquesm 3y ago

Yes. The founder is on record as saying that he thinks safety is wasteful or something to that effect and many other choice quotes besides. https://www.google.com/search?q=stockton+rush+quotes https://www.google.com/search?q=stockton+rush+quotes

GoToRO 3y ago
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- npunt 3y ago
  Nominative determinism strikes again, sadly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_determinism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_determinism
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    In an effort to stave off the effects of this phenomenon a dutch architect changed his name from 'Rothuizen' (rotten houses) to 'Rotshuizen' (houses solid as a rock). https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evert_Jan_Rotshuizen https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evert_Jan_Rotshuizen
- kubb 3y ago
  Was.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

> Metro reports that last year, when asked about the safety of the Titan submersible, Stockton Rush, OceanGate’s CEO, said, “You know, there’s a limit. At some point safety just is pure waste. I mean if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed. Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything. At some point, you’re going to take some risk, and it really is a risk/reward question. I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules.” https://jalopnik.com/oceangate-ceo-called-safety-a-waste-suit-claimed-titan-1850560257 https://jalopnik.com/oceangate-ceo-called-safety-a-waste-sui...

throwanem 3y ago
I believe the kids call this "finding out." Or, as Feynman once put it: "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
light_hue_1 3y ago
You live and learn! Err..
- meepmorp 3y ago
  zero out of two
lm28469 3y ago
> it really is a risk/reward question risk: die reward: cool pic on instagram
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- msm_ 3y ago
  Depends on the risk probability, I guess. Walking across the street has nonzero chance of dying. By that logic going to a shop for an icecream has low reward (icecream) and high risk (death).

ceejayoz 3y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OceanGate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OceanGate > Rush's experience and research led him to two basic conclusions: one, that submersibles had an unwarranted reputation as dangerous vehicles due to their use in ferrying commercial divers, and two, the Passenger Vessel Safety Act of 1993 "needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation".