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I am wondering the same. Everyone is talking about the rapid implosion of the sub, but can we assume that the bodies just got instantly crushed into nothing?

by Geeek 3y ago

jacquesm 3y ago
Depending on your definition of 'instantly' and 'crushed' yes. Milliseconds, at most.
- qup 3y ago
  I think "before realization, fear, or even pain set in" is well within everyone's definition of instant death.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Yes, that was the point. You wouldn't even know what happened. That cargo wagon depressurization and implosion video linked from elsewhere in this thread is a very nice demo, but it only has one atmosphere to work with. And I can't even see the state change on the frame-by-frame, just a very brief hint that something is about to happen (slight deformation), and in the next frame it's all crumpled up and bent.
    - qup 3y ago
      Well, if you had to die, that's sure a nice way to go about it. Not that anyone had to die. I'll watch the drone footage of the deep ocean, thanks.
ilyt 3y ago
It's explosives-induced explosion level of pressure. Big explosion
salawat 3y ago
Lets put it this way. If it was structurally compromised, the implosion would be so fast, a combustion event a la what happens in diesel engines would have occurred. There would be no bodies. There would only be shreds of pressure hull. The titanium hemispheres may have maintained their shape. There is a slight chance it may have been a pinhole leak, and someone had a second to go "Uh..." before the rest of the structure started giving way. It is clear that even these "strain gauges and microphones" to detect compromise of the structure were useless, or that the issure ultimately rested on the window in the front. The main point to keep in mind is that short of finding the two hemispheres in the next day or so, we'll likely not know the full details with regard to the course of events of the unmaking of the vehicle. The Sea has claimed them, and she is wont to give up her dead. Hubris, met by the cold hard edge of reality, has proven to be an insufficient aegis once again. May they rest in peace.
- jamiek88 3y ago
  Update: they found the two ends. Implying the middle carbon fiber imploded.
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  - soneil 3y ago
    Not finding the CF cylinder really does seem like the most telling part here. Given they've found the front, the back, and the bottom, you'd think the single largest component would be laying around in the same area. Unless ..
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masklinn 3y ago
> can we assume that the bodies just got instantly crushed into nothing? Bodies are mostly water, which is not compressible. So not really. But all the voids would have filled very quickly: the sinuses, ears, trachea, and lungs would have collapsed instantly. The bodies would also have been "pasted" against the opposite bulkhead to the failure, as unlike water the air around them would have been very compressible indeed.

I am wondering the same. Everyone is talking about the rapid implosion of the sub, but can we assume that the bodies just got instantly crushed into nothing?

by Geeek 3y ago

I am wondering the same. Everyone is talking about the rapid implosion of the sub, but can we assume that the bodies just got instantly crushed into nothing?

jacquesm 3y ago

Depending on your definition of 'instantly' and 'crushed' yes. Milliseconds, at most.

qup 3y ago
I think "before realization, fear, or even pain set in" is well within everyone's definition of instant death.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Yes, that was the point. You wouldn't even know what happened. That cargo wagon depressurization and implosion video linked from elsewhere in this thread is a very nice demo, but it only has one atmosphere to work with. And I can't even see the state change on the frame-by-frame, just a very brief hint that something is about to happen (slight deformation), and in the next frame it's all crumpled up and bent.
  - qup 3y ago
    Well, if you had to die, that's sure a nice way to go about it. Not that anyone had to die. I'll watch the drone footage of the deep ocean, thanks.

ilyt 3y ago

It's explosives-induced explosion level of pressure. Big explosion

salawat 3y ago

Lets put it this way. If it was structurally compromised, the implosion would be so fast, a combustion event a la what happens in diesel engines would have occurred. There would be no bodies. There would only be shreds of pressure hull. The titanium hemispheres may have maintained their shape. There is a slight chance it may have been a pinhole leak, and someone had a second to go "Uh..." before the rest of the structure started giving way. It is clear that even these "strain gauges and microphones" to detect compromise of the structure were useless, or that the issure ultimately rested on the window in the front. The main point to keep in mind is that short of finding the two hemispheres in the next day or so, we'll likely not know the full details with regard to the course of events of the unmaking of the vehicle. The Sea has claimed them, and she is wont to give up her dead. Hubris, met by the cold hard edge of reality, has proven to be an insufficient aegis once again. May they rest in peace.

jamiek88 3y ago
Update: they found the two ends. Implying the middle carbon fiber imploded.
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- soneil 3y ago
  Not finding the CF cylinder really does seem like the most telling part here. Given they've found the front, the back, and the bottom, you'd think the single largest component would be laying around in the same area. Unless ..
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masklinn 3y ago

> can we assume that the bodies just got instantly crushed into nothing? Bodies are mostly water, which is not compressible. So not really. But all the voids would have filled very quickly: the sinuses, ears, trachea, and lungs would have collapsed instantly. The bodies would also have been "pasted" against the opposite bulkhead to the failure, as unlike water the air around them would have been very compressible indeed.