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Not gonna shed a tear given how avoidable this entire tragedy was, and how terribly managed and selected his engineering team was.
by asynchronous 3y ago
Not gonna shed a tear given how avoidable this entire tragedy was, and how terribly managed and selected his engineering team was.
- AH4oFVbPT4f8 3y agoI hope the other souls onboard fully understood the risk of death, otherwise that isn't fair to them. To relate it to flying in an airplane, “If you take one flight a day, you would on average need to fly every day for 55,000 years before being involved in a fatal crash.” I'll take those odds. Take a deep dive in an experimental vessel with public safety concerns expressed over years, nope I'm out.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y agoIt also looked so terribly janky. I feel like all the lights were flashing red for this craft, but maybe people were swayed by assurances from people who were a bit too enthusiastic about their product.
- adql 3y agoBillionaires get to the money by the art of charisma and bullshitting so it is entirely possible they got bullshitted all the way to the bottom on that too
- Hamuko 3y agoThey all had to sign multi-page waivers that mention "death" no less than three times on the first page.
- hotpotamus 3y agoIt also occurs to me that there should be no more sophisticated consumer than a billionaire. If one really wanted, I'd imagine they could build their own submersible to their own safety specifications.
- taberiand 3y agoMany billionaires, including the one on board, frequently demonstrate how wholly unsophisticated and arrogant they are. Extreme hubris was on display by everyone involved.
- jacquesm 3y agoI would reserve judgment on that, there was a teenager involved and I highly doubt they were of an age which allowed them to absorb the knowledge to properly evaluate the risks. There also was his dad and the CEO of the company on board which may have given him an extra degree of feeling that the risks were acceptable.
- taberiand 3y agoOk. Extreme hubris was on display by everyone involved except maybe one of them, the adult son.
- krisoft 3y agoYes. I feel bad for that guy the most. So young, and of course he probably didn’t had the resources to independently verify the safety of the sub. Unlike the millionaire passengers could have just thrown tenth of the ticket price at any marine engineer who would have been able to explain to them how dangerous the whole thing is.
- adql 3y agoCommon misconception, don't need to be intelligent or sophisticated to be one, social skills and utter ruthlessness seem to be way more indicative.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y agoEasily dismissed by "the lawyers made us do it" for people who were drawn to the "adventure" of the trip or the allure of the Titanic.
- Alupis 3y ago> They all had to sign multi-page waivers that mention "death" no less than three times on the first page. You sign similar waivers for all kinds of benign things - including amusement park tickets, concerts, skateboard parks, etc. I have a feeling the safety of this contraption was grossly oversold to the passengers...
- ApolloFortyNine 3y agoIt's one of the best arguments over that whole 'this product is known to the state of California to cause cancer' warnings. When you have to start putting that on coffee cups, it loses all meaning.
- bluefirebrand 3y agoPeople have to sign those waivers very often for significantly less risky activities like going ziplining, so let's not pretend signing a waiver is the same as actual informed consent.
- AH4oFVbPT4f8 3y agoThat is simply wild, is the multi-page waiver available to read?
- Hamuko 3y agoI haven't seen the full waiver anywhere. The death being mentioned three times comes from someone who took an earlier Titan dive. However, it is mentioned in David Pogue's story about OceanGate: https://youtu.be/29co_Hksk6o?t=160 https://youtu.be/29co_Hksk6o?t=160
- carbine 3y agoNo amount of poor decision making changes the fact that several precious human lives were lost. Frustration over the company's potential negligence and sadness over the loss of life can coexist.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 3y ago[flagged]
- dang 3y ago"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." "Please don't fulminate." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- carbine 3y agoWell I wouldn't agree with either position. Human life is human life, but I guess some people seem to believe that either poor OR wealthy people are less deserving of sympathy, care, and investment of resources. I happen to disagree, but you do you.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 3y agoI feel for them about as much as I do the ~100 people who died today in car accidents in the US. Most of whom were probably also doing reckless things. In a sane world we would do something about that, but people like Rush actively work against sanity in the name of profit, so here we are.
- ajmurmann 3y agoThank you for calling this out. It's also disheartening and quite frankly scary, to see how the passengers get dehumanized on other online platforms due to their wealth.
- AlecSchueler 3y agoI think people are angry when, as others have mentioned, there are more resources and international cooperation going into helping these 5 people who took a needless risk while we watch 100s dying regularly while they try to flee literal war ones in regions we've destabilised for years. You can also see in this thread people calling them "precious lives" as though that doesn't apply to the people making the ultimate sacrifice to try and bring their families to safety. I have nothing against people being rich but it's frankly scary to see these refugees be dehumanised, framed as economic immigrants and become victim to to increasing legislation to keep them out of safety on the basis that we can't afford them using our resources when we suddenly have resources enough to spend on extensive missions to search for people who made bad decisions for fun and risked the lives of others for nothing but profit and fame.