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this "scoffing at safety and regulation" shit being seen as "hip, cool and rebellious" and somehow a desirable trait is actually completely fucking bonkers to m

this "scoffing at safety and regulation" shit being seen as "hip, cool and rebellious" and somehow a desirable trait is actually completely fucking bonkers to me. Careful analysis and engineering to make things as safe as possible and well characterized is incredibly rewarding and satisfying.

peepeepoopoo11 3y ago
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- za3faran 3y ago
  Many lives and resources were also involved in the rescue operation.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  Two things. 1 - it's not as if he made an experimental unsafe submarine and then killed himself in it. It's as though he made an experimental, unsafe submarine that many people told him was unsafe and unsuitable to dive at that depth at a minimum, but really unsafe to dive at any depth and then told people that it was safe and good to go, and then sold seats on it before even properly testing it. 2 - they have caused the taxpayers of several countries to foot the bill of this hugely expensive rescue operation, with no plan or way to pay it back. It's not right for innocent people to bear the burden of this person's irresponsible negligence, both with their lives in the case of the passengers, and with their tax dollars in the case of us taxpayers
- rsynnott 3y ago
  I mean, while it could’ve been a lot worse, all but the CEO here are basically blameless, and even basic regulation could have saved them.
- autoexec 3y ago
  Yes, who cares if someone killed a child and several other adults by repeatedly ignoring warnings of clear dangers! Why shouldn't people be allowed to experiment with negligence at the cost of human life?
  - peepeepoopoo11 3y ago
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    - rsynnott 3y ago
      Look, if he'd gone himself, well, oh, well, there are easier ways to go, but that's largely his business. He didn't, though, did he?
    - spacemadness 3y ago
      Keep going, you’re on a roll.
    - olyjohn 3y ago
      Do you think that it was presented to them as unsafe?
      - erik_seaberg 3y ago
        A previous passenger (a reporter) said the disclaimer mentioned “death” three times on the front page. I think they were as informed as anyone could be.
    - aflag 3y ago
      It's nothing to do with hating billionaires. Presumably they didn't realise how risky the whole thing was. I find it hard to believe that a father was going to put his son in so much danger, if he had realised. We are all working with the assumption that the crew believed that the trip was reasonably safe.
    - sp332 3y ago
      The comment you're replying to only mentions other people dying, not the billionaire. Second, the search and rescue effort involved a lot of government people and equipment, and the company complained that they weren't doing enough.
      - iancmceachern 3y ago
- elliekelly 3y ago
  I think it’s one thing to build your own insanely dangerous exploration device and try it out yourself but to try to make money by selling people tickets for rides on it is far beyond mere “experimenting”. There’s also the very substantial public cost of rescuing the victims of these short-sighted ”experiments”.
- n8cpdx 3y ago
  He killed several people and was credibly accused of making misleading safety claims to customers. Regs are written in the blood of misguided libertarians and their unwitting victims. It might be more acceptable if the government (taxpayers) didn’t inevitably pick up the tab for bailing out their recklessness.
- hatsunearu 3y ago
  Because they are bringing down the reputation of the whole industry, and potentially the engineering profession as a whole? If I'm drunk driving and crash my car and killed everyone inside my car, that must be OK for you. The passengers knew their risk by jumping on my car when I'm clearly drunk!
autoexec 3y ago
I agree with you, but I'll admit that I still think bike helmets and safety goggles look stupid. It's much cooler to be safe, but too often it's impossible to look cool while doing it.
- hatsunearu 3y ago
  In the car hobby, safety gear is often seen as a "flex" item and I think that's wonderful. That said there's a lot of posers that put unsafe aftermarket safety items (e.g. 4 point belts without a HANS device, roll cages without helmets)

peepeepoopoo11 3y ago

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za3faran 3y ago
Many lives and resources were also involved in the rescue operation.
iancmceachern 3y ago
Two things. 1 - it's not as if he made an experimental unsafe submarine and then killed himself in it. It's as though he made an experimental, unsafe submarine that many people told him was unsafe and unsuitable to dive at that depth at a minimum, but really unsafe to dive at any depth and then told people that it was safe and good to go, and then sold seats on it before even properly testing it. 2 - they have caused the taxpayers of several countries to foot the bill of this hugely expensive rescue operation, with no plan or way to pay it back. It's not right for innocent people to bear the burden of this person's irresponsible negligence, both with their lives in the case of the passengers, and with their tax dollars in the case of us taxpayers
rsynnott 3y ago
I mean, while it could’ve been a lot worse, all but the CEO here are basically blameless, and even basic regulation could have saved them.
autoexec 3y ago
Yes, who cares if someone killed a child and several other adults by repeatedly ignoring warnings of clear dangers! Why shouldn't people be allowed to experiment with negligence at the cost of human life?
- peepeepoopoo11 3y ago
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  - rsynnott 3y ago
    Look, if he'd gone himself, well, oh, well, there are easier ways to go, but that's largely his business. He didn't, though, did he?
  - spacemadness 3y ago
    Keep going, you’re on a roll.
  - olyjohn 3y ago
    Do you think that it was presented to them as unsafe?
    - erik_seaberg 3y ago
      A previous passenger (a reporter) said the disclaimer mentioned “death” three times on the front page. I think they were as informed as anyone could be.
  - aflag 3y ago
    It's nothing to do with hating billionaires. Presumably they didn't realise how risky the whole thing was. I find it hard to believe that a father was going to put his son in so much danger, if he had realised. We are all working with the assumption that the crew believed that the trip was reasonably safe.
  - sp332 3y ago
    The comment you're replying to only mentions other people dying, not the billionaire. Second, the search and rescue effort involved a lot of government people and equipment, and the company complained that they weren't doing enough.
    - iancmceachern 3y ago
elliekelly 3y ago
I think it’s one thing to build your own insanely dangerous exploration device and try it out yourself but to try to make money by selling people tickets for rides on it is far beyond mere “experimenting”. There’s also the very substantial public cost of rescuing the victims of these short-sighted ”experiments”.
n8cpdx 3y ago
He killed several people and was credibly accused of making misleading safety claims to customers. Regs are written in the blood of misguided libertarians and their unwitting victims. It might be more acceptable if the government (taxpayers) didn’t inevitably pick up the tab for bailing out their recklessness.
hatsunearu 3y ago
Because they are bringing down the reputation of the whole industry, and potentially the engineering profession as a whole? If I'm drunk driving and crash my car and killed everyone inside my car, that must be OK for you. The passengers knew their risk by jumping on my car when I'm clearly drunk!

autoexec 3y ago

I agree with you, but I'll admit that I still think bike helmets and safety goggles look stupid. It's much cooler to be safe, but too often it's impossible to look cool while doing it.

hatsunearu 3y ago
In the car hobby, safety gear is often seen as a "flex" item and I think that's wonderful. That said there's a lot of posers that put unsafe aftermarket safety items (e.g. 4 point belts without a HANS device, roll cages without helmets)