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I think a lot of companies are using RHEL and Alma/Rocky side by side. Because they are compatible, because people have an easy time to switch between them. I d
by andix 3y ago
I think a lot of companies are using RHEL and Alma/Rocky side by side. Because they are compatible, because people have an easy time to switch between them. I don't think that those people will move their license free servers to RHEL, but they will probably switch to Debian/Ubuntu.
So in the end Red Hat will have a smaller market share and less support from the community. Currently most software provides a package at least for RHEL and Debian/Ubuntu. That may change in the future, if the amount of RHEL compatible systems drop significantly.
- izacus 3y agoNoone is switching from RHEL to Ubuntu or Debian. If you're on RHEL it's because you need their ridiculous long support cycle which noone else comes close for. It's used by people building medical hardware and telescopes, not for website deployments.
- phpisthebest 3y agoWe did... Enterprise ERP systems...
- wingmanjd 3y agoFwiw, we moved (are moving) on from RHEL and derivatives to Debian/ Ubuntu servers at $DAYJOB. We were planning on deploying Centos 8 before the Stream debacle came along.
- genmud 3y agoIncorrect, for the longest time the US government only knew how to support linux via RHEL, that is rapidly changing. So if you sold software or services to the US government that was running on linux, your only viable choice was RH. That has started to change, Ubuntu pro is certified for use in the USG and has STIGs, which are hardening requirements for Ubuntu. Many places would develop on centos or scientific Linux and then when it went into production use RHEL, since they were effectively 1:1 ports. So yea, I imagine there are quite a few orgs who might switch.
- andix 3y agoI meant their license free Alma/Rocky Servers.
- depereo 3y agoSometimes it's because you're operating a platform for a government entity and they have requirements like 'all OSes are under support contracts'. It's harder to get reputable support for debian in the south Pacific. RH is damned near the only decent option.
- throwawaaarrgh 3y agoOr compliance certifications. Whomever has the one you need, that's the distro you're going with. And any customer who needs that compliance usually has a boat load of cash. Microsoft really missed an opportunity for a boatload of cash by not putting out a distro for enterprise and government use. I guess they're making up for it now on Azure.
- andix 3y agoIf you're running some expensive software, the few hundred bucks for a RHEL license doesn't matter at all. Some database licenses easily reach a six figure price per server. Custom built software often runs only on a handful of servers and can then easily reach seven figures per server.
- bubblethink 3y agoUbuntu offers 10 years which is the same. RH is more entrenched, especially in the US. On the technical side, aside from selinux v/s apparmor, there aren't too many differences between Ubuntu and RHEL. RH has a few more custom offerings on the server side (freeipa, openstack, rhev, gluster, etc.), but those are probably not relevant for most users.
- rch 3y agoFreeIPA is a compelling differentiator. I've just started testing the port that recently landed in NixOS.
- bubblethink 3y agoFreeIPA is nice, if over engineered and fragile. There is nothing preventing Canonical from packaging it, they just don't see enough demand probably, and for the most part, they care about ubuntu clients joining an AD domain, which I think Canonical supports.
- MereInterest 3y agoUbuntu has 5 years of “standard support”, with EOL after 10 years. RHEL has 10 years of “production”, with another 3-5 years of “extended support”.
- bubblethink 3y agoThat's just corporate speak. They are all the same. If you use RHEL after 5 years or after the .5 release, it becomes plainly obvious that it's begging you to pull the plug. It's only half assed security fixes after a few years, no matter where you are. If a customer asks for 13 years, I'm sure Canonical will oblige. Edit: I'm talking about Ubuntu Pro that is 10 years.
- izacus 3y agoIt's that "corporate speak" that wins paid contracts for software that needs to run for a decade or more. RHEL competitor in the market is Windows, not half supported hobby distros.
- monkeywork 3y agoSuSE offers 10+ years support windows, is also RPM based, and has been the RHEL of Europe really for decades.
- AlgorithmicTime 3y ago[dead]