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No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. It was far more likely that the sub suffered a catastrophic implosion at the time c

No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. It was far more likely that the sub suffered a catastrophic implosion at the time contact was lost. Glad to see it confirmed, and finally people stop posting the nonsense about air. Shame about the passengers though.

iancmceachern 3y ago
Hope
rsynnott 3y ago
While this was alway probably the most _likely_ outcome, "shoddy submarine breaks down/gets trapped without actually imploding" was certainly always _possible_. This thing had a lot of potential failure modes.
Vecr 3y ago
You have to look at the subset of the probability space where anyone is alive and base the rescue attempt off that. There's no reason to do a body recovery in this case, it's not like when a dead SCUBA instructor is blocking up a underwater cave and you want to use the cave again, or if it's easy to get the dead body out. It's not, it's really hard and dangerous. In the Thai cave, it was thought that the probability that at least one or two of the children were still alive was high enough to risk a couple of old divers having a look. In my opinion the Thai SEALs (as well as dumb ideas like sending people in to string up lights and pump water) should not have taken the risks they did, the more people you put in the cave the more likely something will go wrong for one of them. So, after ruling out body recovery, the only plans you have to make include the submersible being intact, hence needing to know how much air was left.
civilized 3y ago
Wishful thinking, they were hoping for another Thai cave drama that would drive big engagement.
jebarker 3y ago
> No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. To keep viewers engaged in the search I'd imagine
zerocrates 3y ago
The entire rescue operation had to be premised on the concept of the thing possibly remaining intact.
methodical 3y ago
Obviously unfortunate for the passengers, but definitely the preferable outcome instead of being stuck on the bottom or the surface until air ran out. The implosion would have essentially vaporized them within milliseconds, there was no chance they even had started to process their own demise, which, in a way, is somewhat positive, in context of the narratives that were pushed for a while.
squarefoot 3y ago
> No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. Because there was no proof of a different outcome, and the suspense also works as a powerful bait (== more clicks/copies/attention).
kipchak 3y ago
the "air remaining" angle allows for multiple updates (48 hours left! 12 hours left!) and the build up to some sort of conclusion.
submarine18282 3y ago
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bonestamp2 3y ago
> No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. To keep people coming back for updates as the clock ticks down. Now that most people pay for news with impressions, they have to cultivate impressions.
happytoexplain 3y ago
I hate how everything journalists do has to be framed so negatively. "Forcing"? "Keeping the audience engaged" (from the replies)? They were just reporting how much air is left, in the case that they were alive - not insisting that they definitely are alive. It's an obvious thing to want to know, and an obvious thing to report. I'm sure some outlets ham it up, yeah of course. But anybody would report that information.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  I agree. They're just people, doing their job. Their job is to write articles that people click on. We choose what we click on. If you want to see better journalism click on better things collectively. They're a cog in the machine, not the driver of the machine
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    > They're just people, doing their job. So were the guards at Bergen-Belsen and Auschwitz. If your job is being a ghoul, that doesn't constitute an excuse for being a ghoul.
    - MrYellowP 3y ago
      You're being downvoted, but you're being correct. The guy you respond to is ignoring actual reality, which is that people do not actually make conscious decisions. They don't "choose to click", because then clickbait wouldn't actually work and clickbait is meant to manipulate people into clicking. There's no decision process involved. Apparently the parent lives in a fantasy world where he believes that people aren't constantly being manipulated into doing things. So deathscrolling isn't a thing either. Clickbait doesn't exist. Advertisements are all useless. Subliminal messaging doesn't work. Etc. etc. Apparently, also, he thinks that because people are just "doing their jobs" that means it's okay for them to do the things they do, because they were told to do them, which is a horrible thing to think. That guy's fucking clueless.
- likeclockwork 3y ago
giarc 3y ago
Probably because there have been rescues of explorers nearly running out of air while trapped in a submersible. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12220565/The-nerve-shredding-tale-two-British-engineers-sat-stranded-Atlantic-seabed.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12220565/The-nerve-...
data-ottawa 3y ago
I think at that point regardless of the actual issue, it ceases to be a rescue operation. It did feel weird to see countdown timers, at least it felt gross to me.
MikeDelta 3y ago
Hope, a very human thing to have. In that same style you could also wonder why anyone would bother sending help at all, given that they very likely had perished. We hope until we are proven wrong, and the times we are right makes all the effort worth.

iancmceachern 3y ago

Hope

rsynnott 3y ago

While this was alway probably the most _likely_ outcome, "shoddy submarine breaks down/gets trapped without actually imploding" was certainly always _possible_. This thing had a lot of potential failure modes.

Vecr 3y ago

You have to look at the subset of the probability space where anyone is alive and base the rescue attempt off that. There's no reason to do a body recovery in this case, it's not like when a dead SCUBA instructor is blocking up a underwater cave and you want to use the cave again, or if it's easy to get the dead body out. It's not, it's really hard and dangerous. In the Thai cave, it was thought that the probability that at least one or two of the children were still alive was high enough to risk a couple of old divers having a look. In my opinion the Thai SEALs (as well as dumb ideas like sending people in to string up lights and pump water) should not have taken the risks they did, the more people you put in the cave the more likely something will go wrong for one of them. So, after ruling out body recovery, the only plans you have to make include the submersible being intact, hence needing to know how much air was left.

civilized 3y ago

Wishful thinking, they were hoping for another Thai cave drama that would drive big engagement.

jebarker 3y ago

> No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. To keep viewers engaged in the search I'd imagine

zerocrates 3y ago

The entire rescue operation had to be premised on the concept of the thing possibly remaining intact.

methodical 3y ago

Obviously unfortunate for the passengers, but definitely the preferable outcome instead of being stuck on the bottom or the surface until air ran out. The implosion would have essentially vaporized them within milliseconds, there was no chance they even had started to process their own demise, which, in a way, is somewhat positive, in context of the narratives that were pushed for a while.

squarefoot 3y ago

> No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. Because there was no proof of a different outcome, and the suspense also works as a powerful bait (== more clicks/copies/attention).

kipchak 3y ago

the "air remaining" angle allows for multiple updates (48 hours left! 12 hours left!) and the build up to some sort of conclusion.

submarine18282 3y ago

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bonestamp2 3y ago

> No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. To keep people coming back for updates as the clock ticks down. Now that most people pay for news with impressions, they have to cultivate impressions.

happytoexplain 3y ago

I hate how everything journalists do has to be framed so negatively. "Forcing"? "Keeping the audience engaged" (from the replies)? They were just reporting how much air is left, in the case that they were alive - not insisting that they definitely are alive. It's an obvious thing to want to know, and an obvious thing to report. I'm sure some outlets ham it up, yeah of course. But anybody would report that information.

iancmceachern 3y ago
I agree. They're just people, doing their job. Their job is to write articles that people click on. We choose what we click on. If you want to see better journalism click on better things collectively. They're a cog in the machine, not the driver of the machine
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  > They're just people, doing their job. So were the guards at Bergen-Belsen and Auschwitz. If your job is being a ghoul, that doesn't constitute an excuse for being a ghoul.
  - MrYellowP 3y ago
    You're being downvoted, but you're being correct. The guy you respond to is ignoring actual reality, which is that people do not actually make conscious decisions. They don't "choose to click", because then clickbait wouldn't actually work and clickbait is meant to manipulate people into clicking. There's no decision process involved. Apparently the parent lives in a fantasy world where he believes that people aren't constantly being manipulated into doing things. So deathscrolling isn't a thing either. Clickbait doesn't exist. Advertisements are all useless. Subliminal messaging doesn't work. Etc. etc. Apparently, also, he thinks that because people are just "doing their jobs" that means it's okay for them to do the things they do, because they were told to do them, which is a horrible thing to think. That guy's fucking clueless.
likeclockwork 3y ago

giarc 3y ago

Probably because there have been rescues of explorers nearly running out of air while trapped in a submersible. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12220565/The-nerve-shredding-tale-two-British-engineers-sat-stranded-Atlantic-seabed.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12220565/The-nerve-...

data-ottawa 3y ago

I think at that point regardless of the actual issue, it ceases to be a rescue operation. It did feel weird to see countdown timers, at least it felt gross to me.

MikeDelta 3y ago

Hope, a very human thing to have. In that same style you could also wonder why anyone would bother sending help at all, given that they very likely had perished. We hope until we are proven wrong, and the times we are right makes all the effort worth.