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...except communities overwhelmingly supported protesting reddit's policies. You've bought into the provably wrong propaganda reddit is putting out about admins

...except communities overwhelmingly supported protesting reddit's policies. You've bought into the provably wrong propaganda reddit is putting out about admins going rogue.

sandoze 3y ago
There were communities on Reddit that did a poll in Discord on whether or not they should go private. Given the where and who the audience was, what voices do you think were ‘overwhelming’ representative? In the end it was a way for many moderators to hijack a community and transfer it to their next pet social space (Discord seems to be the current favorite).
- luc4sdreyer 3y ago
  Not sure why they went the discord route. That's not what some big subs did. For example, /r/nottheonion (definitely not niche) simply pinned a single post with three comments to simulate a poll. 88% (87.3k votes) supported continuing the blackout. https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/148w58w/vote_shall_we_blackout_again_or_remain_open/ https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/148w58w/vote_s...
- JustBreath 3y ago
  It's not "hijacking" if it's the community they curated.
- Applejinx 3y ago
  The ones I was in, asked what to do ON reddit, and I personally saw subreddits vote to go private. It would depend on the subreddit. r/stoicism (aka r/bro-icism ;) ) seemed very unimpressed and self-involved, and didn't see how the concept of 'virtue' entered into it. r/datingoverfifty overwhelmingly sided with its mods, in part because that subreddit was so actively moderated that women over fifty could post there without getting harassed, and scam artists were quickly run off by the mods. As such, that subreddit had experienced moderation as a positive force and trusted its mods' opinions, and its mods were repeatedly in touch with the subreddit explaining what they wanted to do and why, and asking whether they had user support. Looks like we saw different experiences, is all I'll say.
  - isanjay 3y ago
    > The ones I was in, asked what to do ON reddit, and I personally saw subreddits vote to go private. This has been my experience too.
- why_zoia_fan 3y ago
  I don't understand what you have to gain from lying about this interaction elsewhere. Why is the truth so impossible for you to bear? The community repeatedly asked (and STILL is asking) in Discord and Reddit for capable moderators to take over. No one has stepped up. It's fine. That's how communities work. You alone do not get to dictate what a group does. I wish you could communicate what your real deal is because it's not the "hijacking" of a community (which isn't even yours???). Perhaps stop trying to make this all about you. How sad.
RoyGBivCap 3y ago
Admins going rogue? Admins are employees of reddit.com. I think you're talking about moderators, who are the volunteer petty tyrants that have always been the worst thing about reddit, and they are the ones "going rogue".
cragfar 3y ago
Maybe some did but the support is vastly overblown. r/nba did a poll (never stickied it) and 8,000 people voted. 72% in favor of privating the subredddit. On a random Thursday afternoon it has 33,000 people online. And the polls were posted in r/modcoord.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  TBH, 25% voter turnover for an internet forum is pretty high. Remember that the most participated US elections (which have billions thrown into ad campaigns and is in constant news) top out at 70%.
- nosecreek 3y ago
  It seems to me a lot of subs also said they were closing for 2 days, but never re-opened. I understand that logic, but because the subreddits have stayed close there is no way for that community to indicate if they support the ongoing protest. There's a big difference between voting 'yes' to closing for 48 hours vs permanently.
bscphil 3y ago
Just upthread someone pointed out that after the Homelab subreddit set up a Lemmy instance, only 18 people joined it. I think this undermines the idea that Reddit communities care about this. What we know is that people who spoke up about this care about it. People who voted in a handful of subreddit-run polls care. But obviously, people who don't use the API in any way are going to be neutral, not positive, about these changes, and so they have no reason to interact with polls or speak up in Reddit's favor. They'll just ... remain silent, and wait for the storm to blow over. Which seems to be what the majority of Reddit users are doing. Disclosure: I'm a 12+ year Reddit "power" user, and I don't care about the API changes. I didn't vote in any supposed polls on the changes. My perspective no doubt affects my understanding of this issue.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >But obviously, people who don't use the API in any way are going to be neutral, not positive, about these changes, and so they have no reason to interact with polls or speak up in Reddit's favor. T on the other hand, if you deleted your account and walked you also cannot interact in any polls, unless the polls are off site. So while people are saying "no one left", clearly there is SOME population reflected in how much people here and elsewhere are talking about it. Disclosure: would be 10 year old power user. Deleted my account 3 years ago, but still inevitably had to lurk in reddit for some communities. I'm just enjoying the fire rising as I inevitably predicted since the 2015 blackout days. Not very happy about the changes given that I used a combination of RES (which at this rate I'll be surprised survives more than 2 years) and anonymous browsing on Infinity to check. The discourse tbh has only gotten more polarizing, even on non-political subs and I wanted a goo d excuse to make a hard stop to reddit. Thank you, Reddit. BTW: infinity's stance here is to try what Apollo didn't do. Infinity will be paid-only, and if that doesn't stick, it's done. That's basically a kiss of death for how I used Infinity, but best of luck to the devs.
- luc4sdreyer 3y ago
  >only 18 people joined it. I've unsuccessfully been trying to create a Lemmy account for the past three days. The signup button just spins. I've used many different combinations of usernames, email accounts, browsers, origin IPs, Lemmy instances, etc. Maybe God hates me, but more likely I'm not the only one.
satvikpendem 3y ago
That "overwhelming support" was likely brigaded by Discord as well as other subs, linked below. Some people set up a Discord and were posting which subreddits had polls going on regarding staying dark or reopening, and their members spammed the polls with "overwhelming support" of staying dark, even though they weren't the actual users of said subreddits. https://old.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/14ae739/this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things/ https://old.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/14ae739/this_... https://preview.redd.it/qty5883w6h6b1.png?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=af4cc0640742a4326b26665e3156152d9db812cd https://preview.redd.it/qty5883w6h6b1.png?auto=webp&v=enable... https://preview.redd.it/c7o7zce1tb6b1.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=e03625a1a2d74010e2732e5a3a3e06fe91afad2b https://preview.redd.it/c7o7zce1tb6b1.jpg?auto=webp&v=enable...
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  Sounds like a reddit issue. You can't control who votes on a reddit poll. All you need is a reddit account. Maybe this is a long requested feature that reddit could have implemented... nah. Clearly it's the mods who are selfish.

...except communities overwhelmingly supported protesting reddit's policies. You've bought into the provably wrong propaganda reddit is putting out about admins going rogue.

sandoze 3y ago

There were communities on Reddit that did a poll in Discord on whether or not they should go private. Given the where and who the audience was, what voices do you think were ‘overwhelming’ representative? In the end it was a way for many moderators to hijack a community and transfer it to their next pet social space (Discord seems to be the current favorite).

luc4sdreyer 3y ago
Not sure why they went the discord route. That's not what some big subs did. For example, /r/nottheonion (definitely not niche) simply pinned a single post with three comments to simulate a poll. 88% (87.3k votes) supported continuing the blackout. https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/148w58w/vote_shall_we_blackout_again_or_remain_open/ https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/148w58w/vote_s...
JustBreath 3y ago
It's not "hijacking" if it's the community they curated.
Applejinx 3y ago
The ones I was in, asked what to do ON reddit, and I personally saw subreddits vote to go private. It would depend on the subreddit. r/stoicism (aka r/bro-icism ;) ) seemed very unimpressed and self-involved, and didn't see how the concept of 'virtue' entered into it. r/datingoverfifty overwhelmingly sided with its mods, in part because that subreddit was so actively moderated that women over fifty could post there without getting harassed, and scam artists were quickly run off by the mods. As such, that subreddit had experienced moderation as a positive force and trusted its mods' opinions, and its mods were repeatedly in touch with the subreddit explaining what they wanted to do and why, and asking whether they had user support. Looks like we saw different experiences, is all I'll say.
- isanjay 3y ago
  > The ones I was in, asked what to do ON reddit, and I personally saw subreddits vote to go private. This has been my experience too.
why_zoia_fan 3y ago
I don't understand what you have to gain from lying about this interaction elsewhere. Why is the truth so impossible for you to bear? The community repeatedly asked (and STILL is asking) in Discord and Reddit for capable moderators to take over. No one has stepped up. It's fine. That's how communities work. You alone do not get to dictate what a group does. I wish you could communicate what your real deal is because it's not the "hijacking" of a community (which isn't even yours???). Perhaps stop trying to make this all about you. How sad.

RoyGBivCap 3y ago

Admins going rogue? Admins are employees of reddit.com. I think you're talking about moderators, who are the volunteer petty tyrants that have always been the worst thing about reddit, and they are the ones "going rogue".

cragfar 3y ago

Maybe some did but the support is vastly overblown. r/nba did a poll (never stickied it) and 8,000 people voted. 72% in favor of privating the subredddit. On a random Thursday afternoon it has 33,000 people online. And the polls were posted in r/modcoord.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
TBH, 25% voter turnover for an internet forum is pretty high. Remember that the most participated US elections (which have billions thrown into ad campaigns and is in constant news) top out at 70%.
nosecreek 3y ago
It seems to me a lot of subs also said they were closing for 2 days, but never re-opened. I understand that logic, but because the subreddits have stayed close there is no way for that community to indicate if they support the ongoing protest. There's a big difference between voting 'yes' to closing for 48 hours vs permanently.

bscphil 3y ago

Just upthread someone pointed out that after the Homelab subreddit set up a Lemmy instance, only 18 people joined it. I think this undermines the idea that Reddit communities care about this. What we know is that people who spoke up about this care about it. People who voted in a handful of subreddit-run polls care. But obviously, people who don't use the API in any way are going to be neutral, not positive, about these changes, and so they have no reason to interact with polls or speak up in Reddit's favor. They'll just ... remain silent, and wait for the storm to blow over. Which seems to be what the majority of Reddit users are doing. Disclosure: I'm a 12+ year Reddit "power" user, and I don't care about the API changes. I didn't vote in any supposed polls on the changes. My perspective no doubt affects my understanding of this issue.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
>But obviously, people who don't use the API in any way are going to be neutral, not positive, about these changes, and so they have no reason to interact with polls or speak up in Reddit's favor. T on the other hand, if you deleted your account and walked you also cannot interact in any polls, unless the polls are off site. So while people are saying "no one left", clearly there is SOME population reflected in how much people here and elsewhere are talking about it. Disclosure: would be 10 year old power user. Deleted my account 3 years ago, but still inevitably had to lurk in reddit for some communities. I'm just enjoying the fire rising as I inevitably predicted since the 2015 blackout days. Not very happy about the changes given that I used a combination of RES (which at this rate I'll be surprised survives more than 2 years) and anonymous browsing on Infinity to check. The discourse tbh has only gotten more polarizing, even on non-political subs and I wanted a goo d excuse to make a hard stop to reddit. Thank you, Reddit. BTW: infinity's stance here is to try what Apollo didn't do. Infinity will be paid-only, and if that doesn't stick, it's done. That's basically a kiss of death for how I used Infinity, but best of luck to the devs.
luc4sdreyer 3y ago
>only 18 people joined it. I've unsuccessfully been trying to create a Lemmy account for the past three days. The signup button just spins. I've used many different combinations of usernames, email accounts, browsers, origin IPs, Lemmy instances, etc. Maybe God hates me, but more likely I'm not the only one.

satvikpendem 3y ago

That "overwhelming support" was likely brigaded by Discord as well as other subs, linked below. Some people set up a Discord and were posting which subreddits had polls going on regarding staying dark or reopening, and their members spammed the polls with "overwhelming support" of staying dark, even though they weren't the actual users of said subreddits. https://old.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/14ae739/this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things/ https://old.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/14ae739/this_... https://preview.redd.it/qty5883w6h6b1.png?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=af4cc0640742a4326b26665e3156152d9db812cd https://preview.redd.it/qty5883w6h6b1.png?auto=webp&v=enable... https://preview.redd.it/c7o7zce1tb6b1.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=e03625a1a2d74010e2732e5a3a3e06fe91afad2b https://preview.redd.it/c7o7zce1tb6b1.jpg?auto=webp&v=enable...

johnnyanmac 3y ago
Sounds like a reddit issue. You can't control who votes on a reddit poll. All you need is a reddit account. Maybe this is a long requested feature that reddit could have implemented... nah. Clearly it's the mods who are selfish.