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Knowing the wrong people doesn’t make you a loser. You should rethink your wording or qualify loser with “losing the chance to get hired at a certain place”. N

Knowing the wrong people doesn’t make you a loser. You should rethink your wording or qualify loser with “losing the chance to get hired at a certain place”. Not knowing ozim and not getting hired at their company doesn’t make you a loser.

volkk 3y ago
i dont think this person is stating that knowing the wrong people makes you a loser. it's that complaining about others getting jobs or opportunities centered around "they only got that because they knew someone" is generally a sentiment shared by losers. its a strong take, and i don't know if i agree/disagree, but there does seem to be a general trend of people who are always complaining about external forces are the ones that don't tend to ever gain any success or move up.
- codetrotter 3y ago
  > there does seem to be a general trend of people who are always complaining about external forces are the ones that don't tend to ever gain any success or move up This is true but on the flip side it also seems that some people who end up in privileged positions attribute 100% of success to themselves, and 0% to circumstances and external factors, which is just as bad
  - volkk 3y ago
    take this with a grain of salt, but i've listened to a lot of the "how i've built this" podcasts and i think 99% of the founders all believe that their success came with some level of luck. but then again, maybe thats just selection bias and the types that think they're god's gift to earth wouldnt be on the podcast to begin with
- ozim 3y ago
  Yes - exactly that is what I mean in my way of thinking. It is not about people who didn't get specific job but it is about people complaining. "Normal people" even if they don't get some job are not complaining like that.
lliamander 3y ago
> Knowing the wrong people doesn’t make you a loser. You should rethink your wording or qualify loser with “losing the chance to get hired at a certain place”. You are misreading ozim. The claim is not that people without connections are losers. The claim is that people who often make the accusation of nepotism generally are losers. In other words, untalented people will make the accusation of nepotism as ego defense to avoid confronting their own lack of skill.
- volkk 3y ago
  its funny how mostly true this is if you take the converse. i have very rarely seen smart/successful people complain about others. they focus on themselves
filoleg 3y ago
Knowing the "wrong people" (or not knowing the "right people") doesn't make one a loser. But discounting other people's skills just because they associated with the "right people" (in addition to having the skills) does.

volkk 3y ago

i dont think this person is stating that knowing the wrong people makes you a loser. it's that complaining about others getting jobs or opportunities centered around "they only got that because they knew someone" is generally a sentiment shared by losers. its a strong take, and i don't know if i agree/disagree, but there does seem to be a general trend of people who are always complaining about external forces are the ones that don't tend to ever gain any success or move up.

codetrotter 3y ago
> there does seem to be a general trend of people who are always complaining about external forces are the ones that don't tend to ever gain any success or move up This is true but on the flip side it also seems that some people who end up in privileged positions attribute 100% of success to themselves, and 0% to circumstances and external factors, which is just as bad
- volkk 3y ago
  take this with a grain of salt, but i've listened to a lot of the "how i've built this" podcasts and i think 99% of the founders all believe that their success came with some level of luck. but then again, maybe thats just selection bias and the types that think they're god's gift to earth wouldnt be on the podcast to begin with
ozim 3y ago
Yes - exactly that is what I mean in my way of thinking. It is not about people who didn't get specific job but it is about people complaining. "Normal people" even if they don't get some job are not complaining like that.

lliamander 3y ago

> Knowing the wrong people doesn’t make you a loser. You should rethink your wording or qualify loser with “losing the chance to get hired at a certain place”. You are misreading ozim. The claim is not that people without connections are losers. The claim is that people who often make the accusation of nepotism generally are losers. In other words, untalented people will make the accusation of nepotism as ego defense to avoid confronting their own lack of skill.

volkk 3y ago
its funny how mostly true this is if you take the converse. i have very rarely seen smart/successful people complain about others. they focus on themselves

filoleg 3y ago

Knowing the "wrong people" (or not knowing the "right people") doesn't make one a loser. But discounting other people's skills just because they associated with the "right people" (in addition to having the skills) does.