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There will always be people who just want to show up in a space and act like an asshole, then cry "censorship" when they are asked to leave. I kind of want mod

There will always be people who just want to show up in a space and act like an asshole, then cry "censorship" when they are asked to leave. I kind of want moderators on Reddit to stop moderating just to show how quickly it would kill the platform. Popular subreddits would be overrun with bots and hate speech within a week. Then the real user exodus would begin, meanwhile Reddit has to try and convince their remaining advertisers that bots and racists are worth advertising to.

Applejinx 3y ago
We already have Twitter doing that, though. Do we have to have ALL established social media hellholes going full toxic simultaneously? I'd rather we didn't. And yes, that was the first thing I thought of. I saw a user similarly griping about mods, saying "all the mods are rigging all the polls" and then added, "sure, pretend the users are behind you, the mods, the ones who ban them for very little reason or mute them/ignore them for asking valid questions in mod mail." A picture emerges… bit of a self-report! I'm curious what was 'very little reason' and then how many 'valid questions' were 'asked'. Some people seem to know who their natural enemies are, and they're really clear on wanting those impediments to be removed.
- afterburner 3y ago
  Twitter is used as a one-to-many platform though, and I as a user (one of the 'many') can derive value from subscribing to what are essentially blog posts or announcements. I can ignore the chatter if I want to. Reddit is all about the forum chat. Having trolls fill that up is more problematic to me as a user looking for value in the chatter.
parineum 3y ago
> I kind of want moderators on Reddit to stop moderating just to show how quickly it would kill the platform. > Popular subreddits would be overrun with bots and hate speech within a week. I really just wish there was an unfiltered view with an explanation of why posts were deleted. The lack of transparency is completely unnecessary. It'd be trivial to see if the rumors about mods taking money to curate messages in subs have any substance to them. If they really are considering allowing users to vote out mods, I'd really like to see better documentation of their activities.
RoyGBivCap 3y ago
>There will always be people who just want to show up in a space and act like an asshole, then cry "censorship" when they are asked to leave. Who is an asshole is an opinion. And no one likes being censored. One man's hate speech is another man's basic truism. It's why there is no federal law in America against "hate speech" because there's no objective way to classify it. Your disdain for people who disagree with you says nothing about them and a great deal about you.
- bhouston 3y ago
  I don't have much faith that there are people who value true "free speech" these days. I think the term "free speech" is just a rallying cry to allow what I want to say and prevent others from saying things that contradict my views. Elon "free speech" Musk recently announced that "cis" is a slur on Twitter but that "deadnaming" trans people isn't, but this is very much an opinion derived from a specific world view and now he is imposing that across the board. Okay, sure, that is his right, he owns the place. But please drop the "free speech" talk when really you just want to elevate your preferred viewpoint over alternatives.
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  It's an opinion... but there is still a somewhat rough sort-of-consensus. It's not what you say; it's how you say it. It's how you treat other people. > Your disdain for people who disagree with you says nothing about them and a great deal about you. You totally miss the point. It's not that they say things that people disagree with. It's that they're being a jerk. And then, often, when they get booted, they say "you censor people who disagree!" No, we don't. We get rid of jerks because they're being jerks, not because of their ideas.
  - RoyGBivCap 3y ago
    >It's that they're being a jerk. People define others whose opinions they don't share as "being a jerk" when they're just saying something they don't like, all the time.
- babypuncher 3y ago

Applejinx 3y ago

We already have Twitter doing that, though. Do we have to have ALL established social media hellholes going full toxic simultaneously? I'd rather we didn't. And yes, that was the first thing I thought of. I saw a user similarly griping about mods, saying "all the mods are rigging all the polls" and then added, "sure, pretend the users are behind you, the mods, the ones who ban them for very little reason or mute them/ignore them for asking valid questions in mod mail." A picture emerges… bit of a self-report! I'm curious what was 'very little reason' and then how many 'valid questions' were 'asked'. Some people seem to know who their natural enemies are, and they're really clear on wanting those impediments to be removed.

afterburner 3y ago
Twitter is used as a one-to-many platform though, and I as a user (one of the 'many') can derive value from subscribing to what are essentially blog posts or announcements. I can ignore the chatter if I want to. Reddit is all about the forum chat. Having trolls fill that up is more problematic to me as a user looking for value in the chatter.

parineum 3y ago

> I kind of want moderators on Reddit to stop moderating just to show how quickly it would kill the platform. > Popular subreddits would be overrun with bots and hate speech within a week. I really just wish there was an unfiltered view with an explanation of why posts were deleted. The lack of transparency is completely unnecessary. It'd be trivial to see if the rumors about mods taking money to curate messages in subs have any substance to them. If they really are considering allowing users to vote out mods, I'd really like to see better documentation of their activities.

RoyGBivCap 3y ago

>There will always be people who just want to show up in a space and act like an asshole, then cry "censorship" when they are asked to leave. Who is an asshole is an opinion. And no one likes being censored. One man's hate speech is another man's basic truism. It's why there is no federal law in America against "hate speech" because there's no objective way to classify it. Your disdain for people who disagree with you says nothing about them and a great deal about you.

bhouston 3y ago
I don't have much faith that there are people who value true "free speech" these days. I think the term "free speech" is just a rallying cry to allow what I want to say and prevent others from saying things that contradict my views. Elon "free speech" Musk recently announced that "cis" is a slur on Twitter but that "deadnaming" trans people isn't, but this is very much an opinion derived from a specific world view and now he is imposing that across the board. Okay, sure, that is his right, he owns the place. But please drop the "free speech" talk when really you just want to elevate your preferred viewpoint over alternatives.
AnimalMuppet 3y ago
It's an opinion... but there is still a somewhat rough sort-of-consensus. It's not what you say; it's how you say it. It's how you treat other people. > Your disdain for people who disagree with you says nothing about them and a great deal about you. You totally miss the point. It's not that they say things that people disagree with. It's that they're being a jerk. And then, often, when they get booted, they say "you censor people who disagree!" No, we don't. We get rid of jerks because they're being jerks, not because of their ideas.
- RoyGBivCap 3y ago
  >It's that they're being a jerk. People define others whose opinions they don't share as "being a jerk" when they're just saying something they don't like, all the time.
babypuncher 3y ago