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How is this related? Or is this an “oh did you know in addition to the titanic…” Edit: I meant this literally. I didn’t know about this or that it also happene

How is this related? Or is this an “oh did you know in addition to the titanic…” Edit: I meant this literally. I didn’t know about this or that it also happened this week.

dboreham 3y ago
It's related in that both are maritime disasters that happened in the past week.
- solarmist 3y ago
  Ah. Okay, I didn’t know about that.
dcsommer 3y ago
500 > 5
dingusdew 3y ago
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bugglebeetle 3y ago
I think the amount of resources being marshaled, including those of the US Navy, to try and save a bunch of wealthy people who went on a pointless suicide run, actually says quite a bit about how are world is ordered. The US Navy could easily be deployed to save migrant ships or in a similar humanitarian capacity, but that would set a “bad precedent” in terms of our obligation to these people.
- housemusicfan 3y ago
  I'm going to go out on a limb and say the US Coast Guard (not Navy) and the Canadians were deployed because the mini-sub went missing off the coast of America and not off the coast of Greece in the Mediterranean. By that logic, they could just as easily dispatch the Indian Navy.
  - bugglebeetle 3y ago
    No, the US Navy, in addition to the US Coast Guard is involved as well: > However, on Wednesday a U.S. Navy official told ABC News it had sent a portable crane system that can reach 20,000 feet deep to St. John’s, Newfoundland, so it can be welded onto a ship to take it to the search area for the missing submersible. > Additionally, the Navy announced it was sending experts and a Flyaway Deep Ocean Salvage System, or FADOSS, which it described as a “motion compensated lift system designed to provide reliable deep ocean lifting capacity for the recovery of large, bulky, and heavy undersea objects such as aircraft or small vessels.” https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/missing-titanic-tour-sub-rescue-options/story?id=100212808 https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/missing-titanic-tour-sub-rescu... And the Sixth Fleet operates out of the Mediterranean, so, sure, there’s no political valence to any of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Sixth_Fleet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Sixth_Fleet
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- dfadsadsf 3y ago
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taco_emoji 3y ago
There are finite resources out there for sea rescues. The argument is that they're being applied to 5 people on a pleasure trip instead of 500 migrants who presumably have much better reasons to risk their lives.
- EA-3167 3y ago
  The resources intended to locate a deep sea submersible probably don't overlap with the resources needed to search for survivors in the Med. By the same token you could just argue that since both cases involved people who were certainly already dead, the pageantry of a search serves purposes other than efficient use of resources.
  - dingusdew 3y ago
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- kylehotchkiss 3y ago
  I imagine part of the government's involvement here is trying to test their own submarine detection and rescue tooling. There aren't otherwise many other real-world places to attempt them. I'm sure they've gained confidential valuable insights so far.
  - kylehotchkiss 3y ago
    https://archive.is/pSpem https://archive.is/pSpem The Navy heard it as it happened. Apparently they were aware of the loss of communications nearly in real time.
- mhb 3y ago
  There are finite resources for everything. Why are these five people more worthy to be saved than the thousands of people who will die today from hunger?
  - taco_emoji 3y ago
Simon_O_Rourke 3y ago
Classic "whataboutism".

How is this related? Or is this an “oh did you know in addition to the titanic…” Edit: I meant this literally. I didn’t know about this or that it also happened this week.

dboreham 3y ago

It's related in that both are maritime disasters that happened in the past week.

solarmist 3y ago
Ah. Okay, I didn’t know about that.

dcsommer 3y ago

500 > 5

dingusdew 3y ago

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bugglebeetle 3y ago

I think the amount of resources being marshaled, including those of the US Navy, to try and save a bunch of wealthy people who went on a pointless suicide run, actually says quite a bit about how are world is ordered. The US Navy could easily be deployed to save migrant ships or in a similar humanitarian capacity, but that would set a “bad precedent” in terms of our obligation to these people.

housemusicfan 3y ago
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the US Coast Guard (not Navy) and the Canadians were deployed because the mini-sub went missing off the coast of America and not off the coast of Greece in the Mediterranean. By that logic, they could just as easily dispatch the Indian Navy.
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  No, the US Navy, in addition to the US Coast Guard is involved as well: > However, on Wednesday a U.S. Navy official told ABC News it had sent a portable crane system that can reach 20,000 feet deep to St. John’s, Newfoundland, so it can be welded onto a ship to take it to the search area for the missing submersible. > Additionally, the Navy announced it was sending experts and a Flyaway Deep Ocean Salvage System, or FADOSS, which it described as a “motion compensated lift system designed to provide reliable deep ocean lifting capacity for the recovery of large, bulky, and heavy undersea objects such as aircraft or small vessels.” https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/missing-titanic-tour-sub-rescue-options/story?id=100212808 https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/missing-titanic-tour-sub-rescu... And the Sixth Fleet operates out of the Mediterranean, so, sure, there’s no political valence to any of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Sixth_Fleet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Sixth_Fleet
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dfadsadsf 3y ago
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taco_emoji 3y ago

There are finite resources out there for sea rescues. The argument is that they're being applied to 5 people on a pleasure trip instead of 500 migrants who presumably have much better reasons to risk their lives.

EA-3167 3y ago
The resources intended to locate a deep sea submersible probably don't overlap with the resources needed to search for survivors in the Med. By the same token you could just argue that since both cases involved people who were certainly already dead, the pageantry of a search serves purposes other than efficient use of resources.
- dingusdew 3y ago
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kylehotchkiss 3y ago
I imagine part of the government's involvement here is trying to test their own submarine detection and rescue tooling. There aren't otherwise many other real-world places to attempt them. I'm sure they've gained confidential valuable insights so far.
- kylehotchkiss 3y ago
  https://archive.is/pSpem https://archive.is/pSpem The Navy heard it as it happened. Apparently they were aware of the loss of communications nearly in real time.
mhb 3y ago
There are finite resources for everything. Why are these five people more worthy to be saved than the thousands of people who will die today from hunger?
- taco_emoji 3y ago

Simon_O_Rourke 3y ago

Classic "whataboutism".