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I ve been reading about this submarine for days in the frontpages along with live coverage. I wonder how many knew about another shipwreck where more than 500 a
by seydor 3y ago
I ve been reading about this submarine for days in the frontpages along with live coverage. I wonder how many knew about another shipwreck where more than 500 are feared dead trying to cross to europe.
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- solarmist 3y agoHow is this related? Or is this an “oh did you know in addition to the titanic…” Edit: I meant this literally. I didn’t know about this or that it also happened this week.
- dboreham 3y agoIt's related in that both are maritime disasters that happened in the past week.
- solarmist 3y agoAh. Okay, I didn’t know about that.
- dcsommer 3y ago500 > 5
- dingusdew 3y ago[dead]
- bugglebeetle 3y agoI think the amount of resources being marshaled, including those of the US Navy, to try and save a bunch of wealthy people who went on a pointless suicide run, actually says quite a bit about how are world is ordered. The US Navy could easily be deployed to save migrant ships or in a similar humanitarian capacity, but that would set a “bad precedent” in terms of our obligation to these people.
- housemusicfan 3y agoI'm going to go out on a limb and say the US Coast Guard (not Navy) and the Canadians were deployed because the mini-sub went missing off the coast of America and not off the coast of Greece in the Mediterranean. By that logic, they could just as easily dispatch the Indian Navy.
- bugglebeetle 3y agoNo, the US Navy, in addition to the US Coast Guard is involved as well: > However, on Wednesday a U.S. Navy official told ABC News it had sent a portable crane system that can reach 20,000 feet deep to St. John’s, Newfoundland, so it can be welded onto a ship to take it to the search area for the missing submersible. > Additionally, the Navy announced it was sending experts and a Flyaway Deep Ocean Salvage System, or FADOSS, which it described as a “motion compensated lift system designed to provide reliable deep ocean lifting capacity for the recovery of large, bulky, and heavy undersea objects such as aircraft or small vessels.” https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/missing-titanic-tour-sub-rescue-options/story?id=100212808 https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/missing-titanic-tour-sub-rescu... And the Sixth Fleet operates out of the Mediterranean, so, sure, there’s no political valence to any of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Sixth_Fleet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Sixth_Fleet
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- taco_emoji 3y agoThere are finite resources out there for sea rescues. The argument is that they're being applied to 5 people on a pleasure trip instead of 500 migrants who presumably have much better reasons to risk their lives.
- EA-3167 3y agoThe resources intended to locate a deep sea submersible probably don't overlap with the resources needed to search for survivors in the Med. By the same token you could just argue that since both cases involved people who were certainly already dead, the pageantry of a search serves purposes other than efficient use of resources.
- dingusdew 3y ago[dead]
- kylehotchkiss 3y agoI imagine part of the government's involvement here is trying to test their own submarine detection and rescue tooling. There aren't otherwise many other real-world places to attempt them. I'm sure they've gained confidential valuable insights so far.
- kylehotchkiss 3y agohttps://archive.is/pSpem https://archive.is/pSpem The Navy heard it as it happened. Apparently they were aware of the loss of communications nearly in real time.
- mhb 3y agoThere are finite resources for everything. Why are these five people more worthy to be saved than the thousands of people who will die today from hunger?
- taco_emoji 3y ago
- Simon_O_Rourke 3y agoClassic "whataboutism".
- somedude895 3y agoThose wrecks usually get some coverage in Europe, but it happens almost on a weekly basis now, so obviously it's not gonna be frontpage every time.
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- aaronbrethorst 3y agoNo, not even in an Alanis Morissette way.
- DANmode 3y agoCoincidence, not irony.
- trallnag 3y agoQuite ironic to me
- mcpackieh 3y agoThe discrepancy in coverage is due to a discrepancy in novelty. If it were 5 rich guys going missing on a small sailboat, we wouldn't be hearing about it. It's because they went missing in a submarine, and also because of the Titanic connection. You've probably heard of Kim Wall. She wasn't rich, but she was murdered on a submarine so that became international news too.
- nathan_compton 3y agoPlus, many people can feel a certain frisson of delight or at least schadenfreude about 5 rich guys dying in a comically "move fast and break stuff" built submarine and the fact that it happened doesn't really reflect any kind of deep, hard to solve, social problem. Thinking about refugees, on the other hand, is depressing and there is also almost nothing anyone can do about it. As macabre as it is, the "startup sub kills rich guys" story is just more fun.
- EA-3167 3y agoNot to nitpick, but people paying $8k to head across to Europe were not refugees, they were migrants. They weren't fleeing anything except adverse economic conditions.
- nathan_compton 3y agoIf they were willing to risk death for it, I'm happy to call them refugees. Even if the conditions were "merely" economic.
- EA-3167 3y agoI don't see how degrading the definitions of these words helps anyone.
- hef19898 3y agoIf you really believe they have the 8k in cash, I have a deep sea rated submersible to sell you.
- jjtheblunt 3y agoThat's been in the news in the US too. Also very sad, obviously. I get the impression that this submersible situation has been continuously in the news for days because the status has been unresolved for days.
- mrtksn 3y agoMedia interest is not the same thing as value given. A sub full of rich people visiting Titanic going missing is much more interesting story than yet another ship full of immigrants sinking. The later is unfortunately a story about instance of something happening since years and has wide social implications, unlike the billionaire sub. It’s a politically charged topic, these people did not choose the sketchy boat because all the flights were booked. They were on these boats because large number of Europeans don’t want them there for this reason or another.