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That is pretty invasive behavior, I won't lie. However, if [this](https://blade.ruby-lang.org/ruby-core/72916 https://blade.ruby-lang.org/ruby-core/72916) is th

That is pretty invasive behavior, I won't lie. However, if [this](https://blade.ruby-lang.org/ruby-core/72916 https://blade.ruby-lang.org/ruby-core/72916) is the tenor of the "valid points" brought up against her CoC, I'm... not impressed. It's just standard conservative whining. The language you use towards other people does matter, actually, to the kind of culture and environment you build, and wanting to have guidelines around that doesn't make you "perpetually offended." And sometimes people's opinions outside a project do actually matter, it's not accusing people of a "thoughtcrime", its pointing out that cultural and political opinions aren't just team sports or games of pretend, they have real consequences for other people, and tell you about the character of the person who holds them. Who wants to work with someone who thinks they're completely delusional freaks?

redeeman 3y ago
well guess what, as everyone likes to say, "we live in a democracy", part of the rules is respecting that other people have other opinions. If you work within the system in a legal and peaceful manner, then that is fair game, and what these people are trying to do is discriminate against others, that which they claim to oppose so wholeheartedly. It truly exposes them for what they are
- ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
  > part of the rules is respecting that other people have other opinions. not at all. We can acknowledge that other people have opinions ("respecting" a fact makes no sense in english) but we don't have to respect either the people or the opinions, depending on who they are or what they are: such respect can be earned and lost on merit > If you work within the system in a legal and peaceful manner, then that is fair game working within the system means complying with the CoC and any other terms & prerequisites to contributing if you aren't doing that, you're trying to fight the system, that which you claim to support so wholeheartedly, exposing you for who you truly are
  - redeeman 3y ago
    > working within the system means complying with the CoC and any other terms & prerequisites to contributing and if there is no CoC? is it then respecting the system to throw a tantrum if they wont adapt one?
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      is it respecting the system to throw a tantrum if they want to adopt one?
sensanaty 3y ago
If we're talking software projects, and especially large open source projects with dozens, hundreds or even thousands of contributors, we also have to realize that there's many, MANY people from all over the world with all sorts of opinions to be found amongst the contributors. One man's (or woman's) idea of what is offensive can be entirely innocent to another, and vice versa of course. And I don't see why anyone's opinion outside the relevant project should matter at all. I've contributed to many projects over the years and I can't think of a single time I've ever come close to caring or even knowing what the maintainer's opinions on the world are. It's simply not something that comes up unless you explicitly go looking for it, and honestly what's the point? I'm sure many of the projects I've worked with have had their fair share of people that I'd disagree with on any number of topics, but that's wholly irrelevant if we're talking PRs since we're not evaluating someones morals and opinions, but the code they're producing. Chances are there's no slurs or anything political in the code they're submitting, so why give the energy to looking at anything else?
- logicprog 3y ago
  Fair enough I guess

redeeman 3y ago

well guess what, as everyone likes to say, "we live in a democracy", part of the rules is respecting that other people have other opinions. If you work within the system in a legal and peaceful manner, then that is fair game, and what these people are trying to do is discriminate against others, that which they claim to oppose so wholeheartedly. It truly exposes them for what they are

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
> part of the rules is respecting that other people have other opinions. not at all. We can acknowledge that other people have opinions ("respecting" a fact makes no sense in english) but we don't have to respect either the people or the opinions, depending on who they are or what they are: such respect can be earned and lost on merit > If you work within the system in a legal and peaceful manner, then that is fair game working within the system means complying with the CoC and any other terms & prerequisites to contributing if you aren't doing that, you're trying to fight the system, that which you claim to support so wholeheartedly, exposing you for who you truly are
- redeeman 3y ago
  > working within the system means complying with the CoC and any other terms & prerequisites to contributing and if there is no CoC? is it then respecting the system to throw a tantrum if they wont adapt one?
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    is it respecting the system to throw a tantrum if they want to adopt one?

sensanaty 3y ago

If we're talking software projects, and especially large open source projects with dozens, hundreds or even thousands of contributors, we also have to realize that there's many, MANY people from all over the world with all sorts of opinions to be found amongst the contributors. One man's (or woman's) idea of what is offensive can be entirely innocent to another, and vice versa of course. And I don't see why anyone's opinion outside the relevant project should matter at all. I've contributed to many projects over the years and I can't think of a single time I've ever come close to caring or even knowing what the maintainer's opinions on the world are. It's simply not something that comes up unless you explicitly go looking for it, and honestly what's the point? I'm sure many of the projects I've worked with have had their fair share of people that I'd disagree with on any number of topics, but that's wholly irrelevant if we're talking PRs since we're not evaluating someones morals and opinions, but the code they're producing. Chances are there's no slurs or anything political in the code they're submitting, so why give the energy to looking at anything else?

logicprog 3y ago
Fair enough I guess