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BDSM doesn't "make women slaves". Either women or men can choose to take submissive roles, and that is their free choice among practitioners. Likewise, either

BDSM doesn't "make women slaves". Either women or men can choose to take submissive roles, and that is their free choice among practitioners. Likewise, either women or men can choose dominance (in fact it is popular for a dominatrix to be paid for her services.) The BDSM community (not merely people who have a fetish) is very careful about safety and respect for others. There are safewords and failsafes and safety checks at every stage of the scene. I think it is dismissive and close-minded to say that such a community "makes women slaves"; it shows that you are an outsider and that you know nothing of their customs, morals, or attitudes.

that_guy_iain 3y ago
> BDSM doesn't "make women slaves". This specific BDSM-fetish did. That was part of the kink and the ideology behind it.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  Do you have documentation of that? Can you prove that it was non-consensual? Was there a prosecution of human trafficking that followed on? I ask because I'm not surprised at all that there's slavery among BDSM aficionados, but it is supposed to be consensual, and Larry himself asserts that every slave relationship is consensual in the communities he belonged to, as of 2017: https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/tmi-outing https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/tmi-outing So forgive me if I've misread your implication that any of this was non-consensual or forced. You didn't say so, but you seem to be implying that.
  - edgineer 3y ago
    Sounds like it would fall under the umbrella of "consensual non-consent (CNC)"
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    There is no such implication. And you yourself described it as a slave relationship. So I’m not really sure what your point really is? Their kink was a slave relationship and some people thought that was taking advantage of a mentally challenged woman. He says he even consulted with doctors to ensure they were able to consent. He says police also attended and were ok with it (but Dahmer and others prove that doesn’t really mean anything).

that_guy_iain 3y ago

> BDSM doesn't "make women slaves". This specific BDSM-fetish did. That was part of the kink and the ideology behind it.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
Do you have documentation of that? Can you prove that it was non-consensual? Was there a prosecution of human trafficking that followed on? I ask because I'm not surprised at all that there's slavery among BDSM aficionados, but it is supposed to be consensual, and Larry himself asserts that every slave relationship is consensual in the communities he belonged to, as of 2017: https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/tmi-outing https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/tmi-outing So forgive me if I've misread your implication that any of this was non-consensual or forced. You didn't say so, but you seem to be implying that.
- edgineer 3y ago
  Sounds like it would fall under the umbrella of "consensual non-consent (CNC)"
- that_guy_iain 3y ago
  There is no such implication. And you yourself described it as a slave relationship. So I’m not really sure what your point really is? Their kink was a slave relationship and some people thought that was taking advantage of a mentally challenged woman. He says he even consulted with doctors to ensure they were able to consent. He says police also attended and were ok with it (but Dahmer and others prove that doesn’t really mean anything).