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And I have absolutely no idea how Google is supposed to do that in this context without making a human decision, based on morals, and then you accuse me of inje

And I have absolutely no idea how Google is supposed to do that in this context without making a human decision, based on morals, and then you accuse me of injecting morality into the discussion. How can you not see how confusing this is? I'm looking inside, and I just see that you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

afavour 3y ago
I do not understand why you keep going back to morals here. Google's ad policy is very, very clear: > We don’t allow ads or destinations that deceive users by excluding relevant product information or providing misleading information about products, services, or businesses. These anti-abortion activist ads provide misleading information about the products and/or services they provide. No moral judgement required: they are misleading ads.
- TheRealDunkirk 3y ago
  And I can't understand how you keep trying to say that this doesn't involve morals. FTFA, only 38% of these "centers" do not provide any sort of abortion services at all. Fine. Throw them out. But what about the other 60%? They apparently do perform abortions. Do they just get a pass at that point? What if they do so only in the cases of "the life of the mother," and try to talk people out of it in every other circumstance? Do they still qualify to win auctions on those keywords? The article itself makes it very clear that this whole decision tree is problematic and requires human pruning. Once you start down this road of vetting whether a clinic is offering abortions or not, there's going to be a bunch of grey-area cases that need to be decided, and those decisions are implicitly moral in the general case. The nature of the search question itself is moral to start out with. Should "abortions near me" return results including "crisis centers" -- if it's really a "health care" or "pro-choice" question -- or is that search really code for "where can I get a DNC for the least money and hassle?" There are morals involved in every part of this topic.
  - afavour 3y ago
    > FTFA, only 38% of these "centers" do not provide any sort of abortion services at all. Fine. Throw them out. That's literally the point I've been making the entire time. I can't believe it took us this long to get here. I'm off to do something more productive with my day, later.

afavour 3y ago

I do not understand why you keep going back to morals here. Google's ad policy is very, very clear: > We don’t allow ads or destinations that deceive users by excluding relevant product information or providing misleading information about products, services, or businesses. These anti-abortion activist ads provide misleading information about the products and/or services they provide. No moral judgement required: they are misleading ads.

TheRealDunkirk 3y ago
And I can't understand how you keep trying to say that this doesn't involve morals. FTFA, only 38% of these "centers" do not provide any sort of abortion services at all. Fine. Throw them out. But what about the other 60%? They apparently do perform abortions. Do they just get a pass at that point? What if they do so only in the cases of "the life of the mother," and try to talk people out of it in every other circumstance? Do they still qualify to win auctions on those keywords? The article itself makes it very clear that this whole decision tree is problematic and requires human pruning. Once you start down this road of vetting whether a clinic is offering abortions or not, there's going to be a bunch of grey-area cases that need to be decided, and those decisions are implicitly moral in the general case. The nature of the search question itself is moral to start out with. Should "abortions near me" return results including "crisis centers" -- if it's really a "health care" or "pro-choice" question -- or is that search really code for "where can I get a DNC for the least money and hassle?" There are morals involved in every part of this topic.
- afavour 3y ago
  > FTFA, only 38% of these "centers" do not provide any sort of abortion services at all. Fine. Throw them out. That's literally the point I've been making the entire time. I can't believe it took us this long to get here. I'm off to do something more productive with my day, later.