Debates can also be structured enough that if the debaters follow the rules it becomes possible to see clear winners, or at least surface important ideas for pe

Debates can also be structured enough that if the debaters follow the rules it becomes possible to see clear winners, or at least surface important ideas for people to chew on. The James Baldwin / William Buckley debate is a good example[1]. Somehow though I don't think you'd get that kind of structure in a Joe Rogan podcast. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tek9h3a5wQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tek9h3a5wQ