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Doesn't this play into the whole "Snake eating it's own tail" scenario.. There will be (or should be at least) some kind of quality index of training data cons

Doesn't this play into the whole "Snake eating it's own tail" scenario.. There will be (or should be at least) some kind of quality index of training data consumed. Companies could wear it like a 'quality' badge. Just not sure how you would do it. Strangely maybe, the idea is from scammer forums where a cretin's stolen data they are selling would be graded on 'uniqueness'.

avgcorrection 3y ago
A snake eating its own tail would be regular workers in a capitalist economy (without even UBI) indirectly automating their own jobs. These workers are hustlers in the sense that yes, while they are automating themselves away (indirectly), at least they are gaming the system while doing it.
- voz_ 3y ago
  What are you saying here? I can’t make any sense of what you mean.
  - zogrodea 3y ago
    The person you are replying to is trying to say that those trying to automate their own jobs through AI may be getting a temporary benefit, but each advancement made to automate their job leads them out of a job entirely.
    - avgcorrection 3y ago
      Thanks. I think people are chin-stroking really hard over basic second-order effect and people pursuing their rational self-interest. Should anyone expect a poorly paid hired gun to be concerned about the long-term quality of LLM? No. Only the most ideological person would think that.
  - wincy 3y ago
    I think the parent is referring to a concept much like this comic I read the other day. Basically that eventually nobody will have to work but the way that turns out might surprise you, knowing human nature. https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/balloon https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/balloon
- astrange 3y ago
  This is a lump of labor fallacy. Automation has the opposite effect of what you just said.
  - avgcorrection 3y ago
    Yours is a constant trajectory fallacy: things will continue to develop as they have forever. (Easy to dismiss things once you give it a name.) I’m merely taking the LLM disruption hype at face value.
    - astrange 3y ago
      Not my problem if people hyping it are also wrong. Also mine's real and you just made that one up…
      - avgcorrection 3y ago
        Anything that questions the maxim of eternal growth is a fallacy according to mainstream Economics.
        astrange 3y ago
        Nobody said anything about growth. Economists certainly don't believe increases in productivity are bad for it or employment though. That's because it's decreases that are bad.
latexr 3y ago
> Just not sure how you would do it. Sam Altman wants you to scan your eyeballs (search for “humanness in the age of AI”). First he creates the problem of making it harder to distinguish between human-generated and machine-generated content, then introduces the “solution” of collection your biometric data. It’s the next step of his Worldcoin scam. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoin-cryptocurrency-biometrics-web3/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-...

avgcorrection 3y ago

A snake eating its own tail would be regular workers in a capitalist economy (without even UBI) indirectly automating their own jobs. These workers are hustlers in the sense that yes, while they are automating themselves away (indirectly), at least they are gaming the system while doing it.

voz_ 3y ago
What are you saying here? I can’t make any sense of what you mean.
- zogrodea 3y ago
  The person you are replying to is trying to say that those trying to automate their own jobs through AI may be getting a temporary benefit, but each advancement made to automate their job leads them out of a job entirely.
  - avgcorrection 3y ago
    Thanks. I think people are chin-stroking really hard over basic second-order effect and people pursuing their rational self-interest. Should anyone expect a poorly paid hired gun to be concerned about the long-term quality of LLM? No. Only the most ideological person would think that.
- wincy 3y ago
  I think the parent is referring to a concept much like this comic I read the other day. Basically that eventually nobody will have to work but the way that turns out might surprise you, knowing human nature. https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/balloon https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/balloon
astrange 3y ago
This is a lump of labor fallacy. Automation has the opposite effect of what you just said.
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  Yours is a constant trajectory fallacy: things will continue to develop as they have forever. (Easy to dismiss things once you give it a name.) I’m merely taking the LLM disruption hype at face value.
  - astrange 3y ago
    Not my problem if people hyping it are also wrong. Also mine's real and you just made that one up…
    - avgcorrection 3y ago
      Anything that questions the maxim of eternal growth is a fallacy according to mainstream Economics.
      - astrange 3y ago
        Nobody said anything about growth. Economists certainly don't believe increases in productivity are bad for it or employment though. That's because it's decreases that are bad.

latexr 3y ago

> Just not sure how you would do it. Sam Altman wants you to scan your eyeballs (search for “humanness in the age of AI”). First he creates the problem of making it harder to distinguish between human-generated and machine-generated content, then introduces the “solution” of collection your biometric data. It’s the next step of his Worldcoin scam. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoin-cryptocurrency-biometrics-web3/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-...