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> It is part of the narrow-minded micro managing mindset that too many European politicians (especially the greens) have. Ironically, even in the USA with the
by mk89 3y ago
> It is part of the narrow-minded micro managing mindset that too many European politicians (especially the greens) have.
Ironically, even in the USA with the CCPA they are trying to regulate this somehow. This is just not something you can leave untouched. Without even mentioning other non-EU countries (China/Russia/India, etc.) that have even stricter data regulations.
> Making things illegal, even if in almost all cases the use is benign or even makes a lot of sense.
What is there benign about sending your IP address to 10-15 external services that have nothing to do with providing you the service in the first place? Try to install the NoScript extension and you'll see that 90% of the websites only require the main domain to be unblocked to be used. A few more websites require allowing 1-2 additional more scripts (CDN or ... payment systems/redirects, etc..). The rest is just your data being treated like toilet paper for marketing purposes. And I wouldn't even mind if they stopped there (marketing website A buys the data, and they target you with some crappy ads you won't even click on): no, they sell, and the buyer resells, etc.
Is this really what makes a country innovative? Advertisements? I thought that innovation was self-driving cars, electro cars, new ways to fight diseases, digitalizing bureaucracy (which can be done without giving away your personal data to random online companies), etc.
- jansan 3y agoNo, advetisements do not make a country innovative, and I never said that, and I have no idea why you would even bring this up. But if you are a small company in Europe that for example is producing a better and lighter cardboard box, you will have to hire a data privace specialist because you may get sued by some random idiot if you accidentially link to Google Fonts as a convenient way to display fonts, this certainly binds a lot of valuable mindshare and resources and therefore is bad for innovation. You cannot believe how much startups here have to think about GDPR even if they do not collect any data at all. Read the other answers in this thread. There are others who say that linking to Google Fonts is equal to selling your customers' data to Google. What a joke!
- Tryk 3y agoOf course we should just give up and give all our data to anyone who wants it, lest we burden the developers in any way.
- jacquesm 3y agoIf you don't understand why including third party resources for developer convenience is a bad idea then you probably shouldn't be building commercial websites. Of course startups here - and everywhere else! - have to think about applicable law. Just like if you want to start a transportation company you'll have to think about applicable law. If a company does not collect any data at all then the GDPR is a complete no-brainer. Try this and see if you can make it work for you: to identify an individual you need ~33 bits. An IP address, even though it doesn't quite get you there gives you a very large fraction of the number of bits required. Adding a few more makes the individual identified. So therefore it is a very good idea not to allow access to the IP address to unrelated parties from a privacy point of view.
- jansan 3y agoThat ad hominem attack was a bit uncalled for, especially since tablomonto.nl is sending their users' IP addressed to Google by using Google Fonts, too.
- jacquesm 3y agoAh good old 'e tu, Brutus'. But you know what: I don't have any influence on how tablomonto.nl is implemented. But if you check out jacquesmattheij.com you'll get a much better idea of my attitude towards the privacy of the visitors to my website(s).
- hnfong 3y agoYou probably should send an unsolicited email to your colleague with this then: <quote> If you don't understand why including third party resources for developer convenience is a bad idea then you probably shouldn't be building commercial websites.
- Tryk 3y agoWell said. I'd recommend Surveillance Capitalism by Shoshana Zuboff for an in-depth study of this unprecedented and spectacular surveillance that is becoming so commonplace.