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I personally never contribute to an OSS that has a CoC, and if I find my organization is using OSS that has a CoC I actively work to remove it and ban my employ

I personally never contribute to an OSS that has a CoC, and if I find my organization is using OSS that has a CoC I actively work to remove it and ban my employees from contributing to it. CoC's are poison, and if your project has a "Code of Conduct committee" it is dead to me. I fully admit this hasn't been possible for everything, but I'm making great progress

asylteltine 3y ago
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beej71 3y ago
Does your organization have a code of conduct itself?
- kergonath 3y ago
  Mine does not, but then around here we have anti-bullying, anti-harassment and anti-discrimination laws so these things are penal matters, not merely contract breaches.
  - beej71 3y ago
    Do you believe there are legal things you could do outside of work that would get you fired?
    - kergonath 3y ago
      Maybe, but they’d need to prove that it has an effect on how I do my job. They cannot just fire me because I say something they don’t like.
      - beej71 3y ago
        Most places hire "at will" and can fire anyone for any reason or no reason unless prohibited by law.
  - iudqnolq 3y ago
    CoC is not a contract. It's a non-binding promise that the project leadership will take actions up to banning someone if harassment happens.
    - kergonath 3y ago
      The whole point of it is that there are consequences if you breach it, otherwise it is almost entirely pointless.
      - iudqnolq 3y ago
        yes but the consequences are decided by normal humans via the organization's normal decision-making procedures. The legal system isn't involved.
        kergonath 3y ago
        Right, but the legal system gets involved in cases of wrongful termination of contract or if the code enforcement itself leads to discrimination, harassment, or other issues.
- newZWhoDis 3y ago
  I don’t believe private, for-profit organizations and OSS communities are equivalent. If OP’s org does have a CoC equivalent, it wouldn’t be the gotcha you seem to think it is
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rsynnott 3y ago
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tom_ 3y ago
It sounds like you have opinions about how the team members should behave!

asylteltine 3y ago

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beej71 3y ago

Does your organization have a code of conduct itself?

kergonath 3y ago
Mine does not, but then around here we have anti-bullying, anti-harassment and anti-discrimination laws so these things are penal matters, not merely contract breaches.
- beej71 3y ago
  Do you believe there are legal things you could do outside of work that would get you fired?
  - kergonath 3y ago
    Maybe, but they’d need to prove that it has an effect on how I do my job. They cannot just fire me because I say something they don’t like.
    - beej71 3y ago
      Most places hire "at will" and can fire anyone for any reason or no reason unless prohibited by law.
- iudqnolq 3y ago
  CoC is not a contract. It's a non-binding promise that the project leadership will take actions up to banning someone if harassment happens.
  - kergonath 3y ago
    The whole point of it is that there are consequences if you breach it, otherwise it is almost entirely pointless.
    - iudqnolq 3y ago
      yes but the consequences are decided by normal humans via the organization's normal decision-making procedures. The legal system isn't involved.
      - kergonath 3y ago
        Right, but the legal system gets involved in cases of wrongful termination of contract or if the code enforcement itself leads to discrimination, harassment, or other issues.
newZWhoDis 3y ago
I don’t believe private, for-profit organizations and OSS communities are equivalent. If OP’s org does have a CoC equivalent, it wouldn’t be the gotcha you seem to think it is

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rsynnott 3y ago

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tom_ 3y ago

It sounds like you have opinions about how the team members should behave!