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Enforcement of this code of conduct would seem to inherently put the enforcers in violation of the Code. The Code states, "Harassment and other exclusionary be

Enforcement of this code of conduct would seem to inherently put the enforcers in violation of the Code. The Code states, "Harassment and other exclusionary behavior aren't acceptable." Yet, targeting specific individuals with exclusion seems to be the main method of enforcement. As you indicated, the linked-to page recommends exclusion be used: "In addition, violations of this code outside these spaces may affect a person's ability to participate within them." The GCC Code of Conduct Response Guide (https://gcc.gnu.org/conduct-response.html https://gcc.gnu.org/conduct-response.html) also advocates for the use of exclusion: "In ongoing situations, any member may at their discretion employ any of the tools available to the committee, including bans and blocks." And: "An imposed vacation (e.g. asking someone to "take a week off" from a mailing list or IRC)." And: "A permanent or temporary ban from some or all project spaces (mailing lists, IRC, etc.)." The "vacation" one seems particularly insidious to me, as it tries to portray externally-forced exclusion as something that a person voluntarily imposed on himself. Like so many other open source project codes of conduct, this one also seems to be inherently self-contradictory and hypocritical.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago
> The Code states, "Harassment and other exclusionary behavior aren't acceptable." > > Yet, targeting specific individuals with exclusion seems to be the main method of enforcement. That's not the gotcha you think it is; enforcers get higher privileges to enforce. Cops have the authority to carry a gun and kill people; the army has the authority to carry and use guns that civilians don't. "Take some time off" is a more friendly alternative to "you are unwanted / banned"; the former is trying to help them, the latter is excluding them.
- dingnuts 3y ago
  No, "take time off" is just more condescending. It's fake care, concern trolling, punishment couched in the overly clinical language of millennials who are afraid to upset people because of mental health reasons I would literally rather be banned with language telling me I was banned, because that's honest at least. If you're kicking me out of a community because you don't like me, at least have the decency not to pretend to my face like you are trying to do me a favor.
  - Anthony-G 3y ago
    On more than one occasion, I’ve witnessed a moderator of a web forum or email list asking a participant to “take time off” and the participant later came back and thanked them for it. In those cases, the communities were small enough and it worked because the moderators knew the participant reasonably well and figured (correctly) that they were over-reacting because they were having a bad day.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  Well some of us see the inherent problem with "enforcers get higher privileges " some of us desire equality. I know many people do not any more but whether we are talking about a community or a government giving some members "higher privileges" is a huge problem. In government cops should not have more authority to "carry a gun and kill people" over that of the average person. If a cop needs to use deadly force, then any other person in that same situation should be authorized to use deadly force. Rules for theee but not for me is a terrible doctrine, equality for everyone (including the enforcers) under the law should be the goal
dingnuts 3y ago
The people who write these codes and enforce them are cops. Cops aren't against violence, they're against other people using violence. CoCs aren't about stopping harassment and exclusion, they're about establishing a monopoly on harassment and exclusion.
logicprog 3y ago
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Cthulhu_ 3y ago

> The Code states, "Harassment and other exclusionary behavior aren't acceptable." > > Yet, targeting specific individuals with exclusion seems to be the main method of enforcement. That's not the gotcha you think it is; enforcers get higher privileges to enforce. Cops have the authority to carry a gun and kill people; the army has the authority to carry and use guns that civilians don't. "Take some time off" is a more friendly alternative to "you are unwanted / banned"; the former is trying to help them, the latter is excluding them.

dingnuts 3y ago
No, "take time off" is just more condescending. It's fake care, concern trolling, punishment couched in the overly clinical language of millennials who are afraid to upset people because of mental health reasons I would literally rather be banned with language telling me I was banned, because that's honest at least. If you're kicking me out of a community because you don't like me, at least have the decency not to pretend to my face like you are trying to do me a favor.
- Anthony-G 3y ago
  On more than one occasion, I’ve witnessed a moderator of a web forum or email list asking a participant to “take time off” and the participant later came back and thanked them for it. In those cases, the communities were small enough and it worked because the moderators knew the participant reasonably well and figured (correctly) that they were over-reacting because they were having a bad day.
phpisthebest 3y ago
Well some of us see the inherent problem with "enforcers get higher privileges " some of us desire equality. I know many people do not any more but whether we are talking about a community or a government giving some members "higher privileges" is a huge problem. In government cops should not have more authority to "carry a gun and kill people" over that of the average person. If a cop needs to use deadly force, then any other person in that same situation should be authorized to use deadly force. Rules for theee but not for me is a terrible doctrine, equality for everyone (including the enforcers) under the law should be the goal

dingnuts 3y ago

The people who write these codes and enforce them are cops. Cops aren't against violence, they're against other people using violence. CoCs aren't about stopping harassment and exclusion, they're about establishing a monopoly on harassment and exclusion.

logicprog 3y ago

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