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> facilities that use various tactics to dissuade or delay pregnant people from getting an abortion. These "tactics" include the heinous acts of providing emot

> facilities that use various tactics to dissuade or delay pregnant people from getting an abortion. These "tactics" include the heinous acts of providing emotional support, helping give mother's in need access to local resources, providing food and clothing, and more despicable alternatives to the ending of a child's life.

john009 3y ago
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exabrial 3y ago
As well as free education and resources, jobs, safety from abusers and access to lawyers if necessary.
- TheFreim 3y ago
  Attacks on pregnancy centers are part of the reason I sometimes refer to "pro-choice" as pro-abortion. When offering alternatives to abortion get demonized you have to wonder what this is all really about.
  - Goronmon 3y ago
    When offering alternatives to abortion get demonized you have to wonder what this is all really about. And abortion is never demonized by the anti-abortion groups? Absurd.
    - TheFreim 3y ago
      I never said that "abortion is never demonized." Abortion is rightly attacked by "anti-abortion groups". There is a lack of symmetry: the usual pro-abortion marketing is that they're "pro-choice" but then they attack services that are dedicated to providing resources for one of those choices.
      - Goronmon 3y ago
        When offering alternatives to abortion get demonized you have to wonder what this is all really about. What is the anti-abortion crowd really about then if they are demonizing abortion? There is a lack of symmetry: the usual pro-abortion marketing is that they're "pro-choice" but then they attack services that are dedicated to providing resources for one of those choices. There isn't a lack of symmetry, you just fail to understand the issue. Almost no one (I'm using this term in case you point to a single person that has said otherwise) is "pro-abortion" in the sense that almost no one actually wants abortions to happen. What they want is that the option is available to woman who feel it's something they need to consider. That's it. Anti-abortion groups are about removing choice. Just as if there was a "anti-cancer-treatment" group that was out there fighting against treatment for cancer because they felt like "cancer is life just like anything else" and thought it was "killing living beings" when you treated it.
sp0ck 3y ago
Your argument contain assumption that we are talking about child. Whole abortion debate comes down to defining what and when we can call fetus a human.Nobody wants to kill childrens. What you are doing is emotional blackmail. I know that 1 hour or 1 day after conception there is no child yet. 10 weeks later we have human with already developed central nervous system. It all comes down to defining when a group of cells became human. IMHO calling 1 day group of cells human is a lie. The same apply to 10 week fetus - it is human and calling it otherwise is a lie. What I would expect to get scientific help there to pinpoint that transition moment.
- TheFreim 3y ago
  A unique member of the human species exists from the moment of conception. Also, even if you disagree with my position that all humans have a right to life that still doesn't make a crisis pregnancy center which offers alternatives to abortion a bad thing, they're giving resources to help people not feel pressured to make an irreversible medical decision.
  - Goronmon 3y ago
    ...crisis pregnancy center which offers alternatives to abortion a bad thing, they're giving resources to help people not feel pressured to make an irreversible medical decision. It's laughable the dishonesty here. Anti-abortion businesses are precisely about pressuring people to make irreversible medical decisions. That's literally their modus operandi.
    - TheFreim 3y ago
      If "anti-abortion businesses" are about "pressuring people..." by merely providing an alternative to ending the life of an innocent human being then by implication "abortion businesses" would be about pressuring women to end the life. Of course I know you'd contest that, but that's because of an inconsistency. Even if you disagree with the pro-life view that all humans have a right to life, which is what supporting abortion necessarily implies, you still cannot reasonably say that providing mothers with support is a bad thing.

john009 3y ago

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exabrial 3y ago

As well as free education and resources, jobs, safety from abusers and access to lawyers if necessary.

TheFreim 3y ago
Attacks on pregnancy centers are part of the reason I sometimes refer to "pro-choice" as pro-abortion. When offering alternatives to abortion get demonized you have to wonder what this is all really about.
- Goronmon 3y ago
  When offering alternatives to abortion get demonized you have to wonder what this is all really about. And abortion is never demonized by the anti-abortion groups? Absurd.
  - TheFreim 3y ago
    I never said that "abortion is never demonized." Abortion is rightly attacked by "anti-abortion groups". There is a lack of symmetry: the usual pro-abortion marketing is that they're "pro-choice" but then they attack services that are dedicated to providing resources for one of those choices.
    - Goronmon 3y ago
      When offering alternatives to abortion get demonized you have to wonder what this is all really about. What is the anti-abortion crowd really about then if they are demonizing abortion? There is a lack of symmetry: the usual pro-abortion marketing is that they're "pro-choice" but then they attack services that are dedicated to providing resources for one of those choices. There isn't a lack of symmetry, you just fail to understand the issue. Almost no one (I'm using this term in case you point to a single person that has said otherwise) is "pro-abortion" in the sense that almost no one actually wants abortions to happen. What they want is that the option is available to woman who feel it's something they need to consider. That's it. Anti-abortion groups are about removing choice. Just as if there was a "anti-cancer-treatment" group that was out there fighting against treatment for cancer because they felt like "cancer is life just like anything else" and thought it was "killing living beings" when you treated it.

sp0ck 3y ago

Your argument contain assumption that we are talking about child. Whole abortion debate comes down to defining what and when we can call fetus a human.Nobody wants to kill childrens. What you are doing is emotional blackmail. I know that 1 hour or 1 day after conception there is no child yet. 10 weeks later we have human with already developed central nervous system. It all comes down to defining when a group of cells became human. IMHO calling 1 day group of cells human is a lie. The same apply to 10 week fetus - it is human and calling it otherwise is a lie. What I would expect to get scientific help there to pinpoint that transition moment.

TheFreim 3y ago
A unique member of the human species exists from the moment of conception. Also, even if you disagree with my position that all humans have a right to life that still doesn't make a crisis pregnancy center which offers alternatives to abortion a bad thing, they're giving resources to help people not feel pressured to make an irreversible medical decision.
- Goronmon 3y ago
  ...crisis pregnancy center which offers alternatives to abortion a bad thing, they're giving resources to help people not feel pressured to make an irreversible medical decision. It's laughable the dishonesty here. Anti-abortion businesses are precisely about pressuring people to make irreversible medical decisions. That's literally their modus operandi.
  - TheFreim 3y ago
    If "anti-abortion businesses" are about "pressuring people..." by merely providing an alternative to ending the life of an innocent human being then by implication "abortion businesses" would be about pressuring women to end the life. Of course I know you'd contest that, but that's because of an inconsistency. Even if you disagree with the pro-life view that all humans have a right to life, which is what supporting abortion necessarily implies, you still cannot reasonably say that providing mothers with support is a bad thing.