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>What part of having absolutely nothing to do with the company or its business do you not understand? We were presumably talking about cases where people might

by foldr 3y ago

>What part of having absolutely nothing to do with the company or its business do you not understand? We were presumably talking about cases where people might be fired or excluded from a project for e.g. making transphobic comments in public outside of a work context. If you agree that this isn't a case where the actions have 'nothing to do with the company or its business' (because of reputational issues), then it seems that we're in agreement. >If anything, it seems like nowadays people can be routinely fired when it's discovered that they are straight. Utter nonsense – and you know it.

Dalewyn 3y ago
Say you're a car mechanic and you work at a car shop. The car shop fires you for saying the Moon is made of cheese during a BBQ at a friend's on Saturday, because it's against the nebulous code of conduct. Now let's say you're a programmer and you like volunteering code to GCC. The project bans you because your beliefs expressed anywhere, including in the privacy of your own home, violate the nebulous code of conduct. That's the kind of world we're slowly but surely moving towards.
- foldr 3y ago
  >Say you're a car mechanic and you work at a car shop. The car shop fires you for saying the Moon is made of cheese during a BBQ at a friend's on Saturday, because it's against the nebulous code of conduct. Or maybe we’re slowly but surely moving to a world where the rights of women and minority groups are being slowly eroded after decades of progress, and before long me and all the other gays will be rounded up and sent to conversion camps in Florida run by a newly-nationalised Disney corporation. I’m gonna guess you don’t find the line of argument in the preceding paragraph super convincing. I feel the same way about what you wrote.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    I'm going to ask you this again because you seem to have reading comprehension problems: What part of having absolutely nothing to do with the company or its business do you not understand? This is framing "violations of this code outside [spaces managed by the GCC project]" in a context more relatable to common men.
    - madmoose 3y ago
      Why do you feel the need to make up nonsense examples about moon-cheese to make the discussion relatable to "common men"? Do "common men" not understand sensible examples or do you not have sensible examples?
    - foldr 3y ago
      I already responded to that question here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36431254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36431254 I may have misunderstood what you meant by it, in which case it would be helpful if you could explain what you did mean.
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        No, we are not in agreement. If an employee makes "transphobic comments in public outside of a work context" then upon what grounds does the employer have to terminate him for that? An employer should not be able to terminate an employee for something they do in their private time. Likewise, GCC should not be able to ban someone for doing something not related to GCC. That GCC's code of conduct allows for that is preposterous.
        foldr 3y ago
        >An employer should not be able to terminate an employee for something they do in their private time. My point was just that this is nothing new. It's always been the case that you could be fired for certain things that you did in your private time (e.g., historically, being gay). This is because what you do outside of work can affect the reputation of your employer. Within legal limits your employer has the right to freedom of association (just as you do).
- beej71 3y ago
  It has always been the case, with volunteer work and work-for-hire, that you could get canned for things you say or do outside of work. But I'm going to have to call slippery slope on the cheese moon thing. We're not moving towards a world where literally every thing you can possibly say will get you fired.

by foldr 3y ago

Dalewyn 3y ago

Say you're a car mechanic and you work at a car shop. The car shop fires you for saying the Moon is made of cheese during a BBQ at a friend's on Saturday, because it's against the nebulous code of conduct. Now let's say you're a programmer and you like volunteering code to GCC. The project bans you because your beliefs expressed anywhere, including in the privacy of your own home, violate the nebulous code of conduct. That's the kind of world we're slowly but surely moving towards.

foldr 3y ago
>Say you're a car mechanic and you work at a car shop. The car shop fires you for saying the Moon is made of cheese during a BBQ at a friend's on Saturday, because it's against the nebulous code of conduct. Or maybe we’re slowly but surely moving to a world where the rights of women and minority groups are being slowly eroded after decades of progress, and before long me and all the other gays will be rounded up and sent to conversion camps in Florida run by a newly-nationalised Disney corporation. I’m gonna guess you don’t find the line of argument in the preceding paragraph super convincing. I feel the same way about what you wrote.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  I'm going to ask you this again because you seem to have reading comprehension problems: What part of having absolutely nothing to do with the company or its business do you not understand? This is framing "violations of this code outside [spaces managed by the GCC project]" in a context more relatable to common men.
  - madmoose 3y ago
    Why do you feel the need to make up nonsense examples about moon-cheese to make the discussion relatable to "common men"? Do "common men" not understand sensible examples or do you not have sensible examples?
  - foldr 3y ago
    I already responded to that question here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36431254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36431254 I may have misunderstood what you meant by it, in which case it would be helpful if you could explain what you did mean.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      No, we are not in agreement. If an employee makes "transphobic comments in public outside of a work context" then upon what grounds does the employer have to terminate him for that? An employer should not be able to terminate an employee for something they do in their private time. Likewise, GCC should not be able to ban someone for doing something not related to GCC. That GCC's code of conduct allows for that is preposterous.
      - foldr 3y ago
        >An employer should not be able to terminate an employee for something they do in their private time. My point was just that this is nothing new. It's always been the case that you could be fired for certain things that you did in your private time (e.g., historically, being gay). This is because what you do outside of work can affect the reputation of your employer. Within legal limits your employer has the right to freedom of association (just as you do).
beej71 3y ago
It has always been the case, with volunteer work and work-for-hire, that you could get canned for things you say or do outside of work. But I'm going to have to call slippery slope on the cheese moon thing. We're not moving towards a world where literally every thing you can possibly say will get you fired.