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Like searching for how to commit suicide and the top results being about dissuading you from it?

by potatototoo99 3y ago

fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
The analogy would work if suicide was legal and desirable and there were reputable suicide services a la Futurama.
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago
  There are 20 countries in the world where suicide is considered illegal, which is a weird concept on its own. Here’s the map: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation. Now, if we talked about assisted suicide…
  - calvinmorrison 3y ago
    > Marijuana Illegal, straight to jail, and morally bad > Assisted Marijuana Totally legal and morally good
    - fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
      I know you're being sarcastic, but medical marijuana in various US States has basically been this.
    - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
      > Illegal, straight to jail, and morally bad It depends on where you are: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis
    - lostgame 3y ago
      >> comparing weed to suicide You okay there, bud?
- 3pt14159 3y ago
  1. When you say "desirable" here you're speaking relatively. Abortion isn't intrinsically something that the vast majority of women want, what they want is to not be pregnant for one reason or another. 2. Many, many people have middle-of-the-road opinions about abortion. Nudging them into carrying the human to term and giving it up for adoption isn't akin to selling fake services, it's more akin to organ donation.
  - civilitty 3y ago
    Go to r/RegretfulParents and read about some of the stories of women who wanted abortions and were manipulated by these places at a vulnerable time in their life. It’s pretty horrifying. Most of these places won’t help a lick once the baby is actually born.
    - 3pt14159 3y ago
      Well I can't speak for these places since I've never worked for them or used them, but that being said, giving up a child for adoption is very, very easy. Even fire halls take children, no questions asked. I understand that there are regretful parents, but keep in mind these things: 1. These very parents were given the gift of making it to adulthood to make a choice they regret, something that unborn children do not get to make. 2. Adults regret many things and the choice for carrying a baby to term while adoption is such a viable option is far from the top of the list of things that someone regrets in life. It is much more likely for someone to regret getting married than for them to regret giving birth. 3. Ethics truly do matter. It is not what someone does when the manager of the bank is standing over them and they check their balance with their debit card that matters. It is what they do when the ATM erroneously displays a much higher balance in the middle of the night in a dark and seedy bar that counts. In the same way, resisting the dehumanizing characterization of unborn humans matters most in societies where this is common place enough for these decisions to carry weight, and there are many example from history that highlight the same type of moral dilemmas. It seems strange standing in the present and being confronted with a challenge that we may very well be "the bad guys" but the same was true of slavers and many other horrible types of people.
afavour 3y ago
No because suicide and abortion are not comparable.
- hombre_fatal 3y ago
  There are all sorts of ways you can compare them. For example, you just compared them. Another: “they are both controversial topics”.
  - afavour 3y ago
    Any attempt to invoke suicide in a discussion about abortion is pure whataboutism, as this thread is aptly demonstrating.
perihelions 3y ago
Notably, Kagi considered but declined to implement this functionality, out of principle (basically the very principle we're debating right here). https://kagifeedback.org/d/865-suicide-results-should-probably-have-a-dont-do-that-widget-like-google https://kagifeedback.org/d/865-suicide-results-should-probab... ("Suicide results should probably have a "don't do that" widget like google")

Like searching for how to commit suicide and the top results being about dissuading you from it?

fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago

The analogy would work if suicide was legal and desirable and there were reputable suicide services a la Futurama.

rad_gruchalski 3y ago
There are 20 countries in the world where suicide is considered illegal, which is a weird concept on its own. Here’s the map: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation. Now, if we talked about assisted suicide…
- calvinmorrison 3y ago
  > Marijuana Illegal, straight to jail, and morally bad > Assisted Marijuana Totally legal and morally good
  - fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
    I know you're being sarcastic, but medical marijuana in various US States has basically been this.
  - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
    > Illegal, straight to jail, and morally bad It depends on where you are: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis
  - lostgame 3y ago
    >> comparing weed to suicide You okay there, bud?
3pt14159 3y ago
1. When you say "desirable" here you're speaking relatively. Abortion isn't intrinsically something that the vast majority of women want, what they want is to not be pregnant for one reason or another. 2. Many, many people have middle-of-the-road opinions about abortion. Nudging them into carrying the human to term and giving it up for adoption isn't akin to selling fake services, it's more akin to organ donation.
- civilitty 3y ago
  Go to r/RegretfulParents and read about some of the stories of women who wanted abortions and were manipulated by these places at a vulnerable time in their life. It’s pretty horrifying. Most of these places won’t help a lick once the baby is actually born.
  - 3pt14159 3y ago
    Well I can't speak for these places since I've never worked for them or used them, but that being said, giving up a child for adoption is very, very easy. Even fire halls take children, no questions asked. I understand that there are regretful parents, but keep in mind these things: 1. These very parents were given the gift of making it to adulthood to make a choice they regret, something that unborn children do not get to make. 2. Adults regret many things and the choice for carrying a baby to term while adoption is such a viable option is far from the top of the list of things that someone regrets in life. It is much more likely for someone to regret getting married than for them to regret giving birth. 3. Ethics truly do matter. It is not what someone does when the manager of the bank is standing over them and they check their balance with their debit card that matters. It is what they do when the ATM erroneously displays a much higher balance in the middle of the night in a dark and seedy bar that counts. In the same way, resisting the dehumanizing characterization of unborn humans matters most in societies where this is common place enough for these decisions to carry weight, and there are many example from history that highlight the same type of moral dilemmas. It seems strange standing in the present and being confronted with a challenge that we may very well be "the bad guys" but the same was true of slavers and many other horrible types of people.

afavour 3y ago

No because suicide and abortion are not comparable.

hombre_fatal 3y ago
There are all sorts of ways you can compare them. For example, you just compared them. Another: “they are both controversial topics”.
- afavour 3y ago
  Any attempt to invoke suicide in a discussion about abortion is pure whataboutism, as this thread is aptly demonstrating.

perihelions 3y ago

Notably, Kagi considered but declined to implement this functionality, out of principle (basically the very principle we're debating right here). https://kagifeedback.org/d/865-suicide-results-should-probably-have-a-dont-do-that-widget-like-google https://kagifeedback.org/d/865-suicide-results-should-probab... ("Suicide results should probably have a "don't do that" widget like google")