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Because with the iPhone, a lot of people think that Apple earned the benefit of the doubt - if Apple thinks they can pull this off, then liklier than not, consi

Because with the iPhone, a lot of people think that Apple earned the benefit of the doubt - if Apple thinks they can pull this off, then liklier than not, considering what they've done in the past, they probably can.

jonplackett 3y ago
Ditto Apple Watch and iPad.
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  >Ditto Apple Watch and iPad. Maybe the iPad, but large phones became popular and the whole tablet hype sort of disappeared. The Apple Watch? The only people I know who own one are people so deep in the Apple ecosystem they need it all. Seemingly good product (everything Apples makes is), but not a game changer.
  - macintux 3y ago
    There appear to be no hard numbers, but with well over 100 million sold by 2020, they’re not exactly a niche product.
    - itsoktocry 3y ago
      I didn't say niche. I said not "game changing". The fact that Apple fans want every Apple device does't make the devices amazing. My opinion, of course.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    The best estimates I could find were around 35 million a year. At a conservative $400 APU that’s a $14 billion dollar a year business and no one doubts its profitable.
itsoktocry 3y ago
>if Apple thinks they can pull this off, then liklier than not, considering what they've done in the past, they probably can. Or you can consider an even longer past; has any company in history ever been able to consistently "hit-it-out-of-the-park" with products? Or is there an element of luck here that distributes these things. In other words, does one game-changing innovation make it more likely or less likely to produce a second?
- brookst 3y ago
  You think iPhone is the only product category that Apple succeeded in with paradigms different than what went before?
  - itsoktocry 3y ago
    >You think iPhone is the only product category that Apple succeeded in with paradigms different than what went before? Apple has had financial success with many products, yes. Is that what we're talking about? No. Do you really think MacBooks and AirPods are revolutionary products like the iPhone?
  - ztrww 3y ago
    More or less. I mean there is the giant iPhone(iPad) and some accessories for the iPhone (watch, airpods).
    - brookst 3y ago
      Ah, yeah, those accessories that would be Fortune 500 companies on their own. Those surely don’t count as whole products that (re)invented categories. I guess if we declare everything Apple’s ever done to be just pretty versions of ENIAC, they really haven’t had any successful products at all?
      - itsoktocry 3y ago
        >Those surely don’t count as whole products that (re)invented categories. What other product categories have Apple "re-invented" or invented. The mobile phone. The tablet. What else?
zarzavat 3y ago
Primitive smartphones existed before the iPhone and were popular, e.g. the blackberry. There was a time when every self-respecting businessperson owned a blackberry. Apple just took an existing popular product category and executed well. VR glasses have not yet gained mainstream acceptance among the general population in the way that phones had achieved before the iPhone. Practically nobody is saying that the Vision is a bad product, all of the skepticism is whether it’s a good product category.
- 16bitvoid 3y ago
  > VR glasses have not yet gained mainstream acceptance among the general population in the way that phones had achieved before the iPhone. The same could be said about the iPad and Apple Watch, no? Tablets and smart watches weren't popular before their introduction. With that said, I don't think the skepticism is unwarranted. Just because Apple has been successful in introducing new product categories in the past doesn't inherently mean that they will be this time.
  - sixstringtheory 3y ago
    There were tablets long before the iPad, which was supposed to eventually replace desktops/laptops, although sadly that still hasn’t happened and doesn’t even seem to be on the horizon. As for the watch, watches are a very popular accessory generally, and there have been plenty of entrants before the apple watch, all the way from the casio calculator, to fitbits and pebbles to android wear. If you were already into watches, and were already in the apple ecosystem, which I have to imagine was a large set of people, the apple watch was basically an insta-buy, not only because of its integration but also it’s customizability. I don’t see those same variables present for VR as were for the watch, but I do see similarities between AVP and iPad in how it’s billed as a pro device, and I imagine it will suffer a similar fate of falling short of expectations.
- iso1631 3y ago
  I suspect the reason the iphone was so popular was execs who weren't allowed to install games (angry birds etc) on their corporate blackberrys due to them being locked down by Corporate IT then got an iphone, then felt they didn't want to carry the blackberry as well, so laid it down to their corporate IT to "make email work on here" Certainly how it worked at my company.
greiskul 3y ago
iPhones and iPods gave Steve Jobs the benefit of the doubt. And I doubt that he was involved in the Vision Pro.

jonplackett 3y ago

Ditto Apple Watch and iPad.

itsoktocry 3y ago
>Ditto Apple Watch and iPad. Maybe the iPad, but large phones became popular and the whole tablet hype sort of disappeared. The Apple Watch? The only people I know who own one are people so deep in the Apple ecosystem they need it all. Seemingly good product (everything Apples makes is), but not a game changer.
- macintux 3y ago
  There appear to be no hard numbers, but with well over 100 million sold by 2020, they’re not exactly a niche product.
  - itsoktocry 3y ago
    I didn't say niche. I said not "game changing". The fact that Apple fans want every Apple device does't make the devices amazing. My opinion, of course.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  The best estimates I could find were around 35 million a year. At a conservative $400 APU that’s a $14 billion dollar a year business and no one doubts its profitable.

itsoktocry 3y ago

>if Apple thinks they can pull this off, then liklier than not, considering what they've done in the past, they probably can. Or you can consider an even longer past; has any company in history ever been able to consistently "hit-it-out-of-the-park" with products? Or is there an element of luck here that distributes these things. In other words, does one game-changing innovation make it more likely or less likely to produce a second?

brookst 3y ago
You think iPhone is the only product category that Apple succeeded in with paradigms different than what went before?
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  >You think iPhone is the only product category that Apple succeeded in with paradigms different than what went before? Apple has had financial success with many products, yes. Is that what we're talking about? No. Do you really think MacBooks and AirPods are revolutionary products like the iPhone?
- ztrww 3y ago
  More or less. I mean there is the giant iPhone(iPad) and some accessories for the iPhone (watch, airpods).
  - brookst 3y ago
    Ah, yeah, those accessories that would be Fortune 500 companies on their own. Those surely don’t count as whole products that (re)invented categories. I guess if we declare everything Apple’s ever done to be just pretty versions of ENIAC, they really haven’t had any successful products at all?
    - itsoktocry 3y ago
      >Those surely don’t count as whole products that (re)invented categories. What other product categories have Apple "re-invented" or invented. The mobile phone. The tablet. What else?

zarzavat 3y ago

Primitive smartphones existed before the iPhone and were popular, e.g. the blackberry. There was a time when every self-respecting businessperson owned a blackberry. Apple just took an existing popular product category and executed well. VR glasses have not yet gained mainstream acceptance among the general population in the way that phones had achieved before the iPhone. Practically nobody is saying that the Vision is a bad product, all of the skepticism is whether it’s a good product category.

16bitvoid 3y ago
> VR glasses have not yet gained mainstream acceptance among the general population in the way that phones had achieved before the iPhone. The same could be said about the iPad and Apple Watch, no? Tablets and smart watches weren't popular before their introduction. With that said, I don't think the skepticism is unwarranted. Just because Apple has been successful in introducing new product categories in the past doesn't inherently mean that they will be this time.
- sixstringtheory 3y ago
  There were tablets long before the iPad, which was supposed to eventually replace desktops/laptops, although sadly that still hasn’t happened and doesn’t even seem to be on the horizon. As for the watch, watches are a very popular accessory generally, and there have been plenty of entrants before the apple watch, all the way from the casio calculator, to fitbits and pebbles to android wear. If you were already into watches, and were already in the apple ecosystem, which I have to imagine was a large set of people, the apple watch was basically an insta-buy, not only because of its integration but also it’s customizability. I don’t see those same variables present for VR as were for the watch, but I do see similarities between AVP and iPad in how it’s billed as a pro device, and I imagine it will suffer a similar fate of falling short of expectations.
iso1631 3y ago
I suspect the reason the iphone was so popular was execs who weren't allowed to install games (angry birds etc) on their corporate blackberrys due to them being locked down by Corporate IT then got an iphone, then felt they didn't want to carry the blackberry as well, so laid it down to their corporate IT to "make email work on here" Certainly how it worked at my company.

greiskul 3y ago

iPhones and iPods gave Steve Jobs the benefit of the doubt. And I doubt that he was involved in the Vision Pro.