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Every criticism of the Apple Vision is, at this point in time, pure speculation. As such, they are both inherently low-value as well as uninformed. The time for

Every criticism of the Apple Vision is, at this point in time, pure speculation. As such, they are both inherently low-value as well as uninformed. The time for this type of talk will be when people actually get their hands on the device. Seriously, the headline here is why something "may" be lousy for watching movies.

criddell 3y ago
Is the screen in the back of the headrest lousy for watching movies? Some may think so yet millions of people do that every day.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  The visual quality may be lousy, but it's relatively comfortable. It really doesn't matter how good the screens in it are, or how much dumb "tech" it is full of, if it's just generally not comfortable to wear. Being 500 grams with most of that in the front (for that stupid glass and "face" thing), it's not going to be a good time. Without a back to front strap, it's not going to be comfortable, and the "solution" for the weight of just clinching it tighter against your face is the WORST solution (believe me I've tried) and only results in more discomfort. I don't know how lightweight you have to get before something is comfortable to wear on your face for extended periods, but it is probably closer to 250 grams than 500
  - criddell 3y ago
    Welders wear face shields that are more than 500 g for very long periods. I have no doubt that Apple will be able to figure something out. At this point though, all of this is speculation. I expect v1 to suck, v2 to be a little bit better, and v3 to be the one that gets it right. I'm guessing that's about 5 years out. The launch unit probably should be a heavy mess and if it isn't, maybe they weren't ambitious enough.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      Welder's face shields do not have the "gasket" pressing against your face, they are closer to a hat, with the way they distribute the load onto your head and how they otherwise do not touch you.
      - criddell 3y ago
        There are all kinds of different shield setups. For example, the one I link to below is a two piece setup where goggles clamp to your face and then a wide shield hangs from the goggles: https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/welding-gear/helmets/Pages/arcspecs-goggles.aspx https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/welding-gear... There are all kinds of attachments you can get that can bring the mass into that 500g neighborhood. The ones from the previous generation were easily 500g.

criddell 3y ago

Is the screen in the back of the headrest lousy for watching movies? Some may think so yet millions of people do that every day.

mrguyorama 3y ago
The visual quality may be lousy, but it's relatively comfortable. It really doesn't matter how good the screens in it are, or how much dumb "tech" it is full of, if it's just generally not comfortable to wear. Being 500 grams with most of that in the front (for that stupid glass and "face" thing), it's not going to be a good time. Without a back to front strap, it's not going to be comfortable, and the "solution" for the weight of just clinching it tighter against your face is the WORST solution (believe me I've tried) and only results in more discomfort. I don't know how lightweight you have to get before something is comfortable to wear on your face for extended periods, but it is probably closer to 250 grams than 500
- criddell 3y ago
  Welders wear face shields that are more than 500 g for very long periods. I have no doubt that Apple will be able to figure something out. At this point though, all of this is speculation. I expect v1 to suck, v2 to be a little bit better, and v3 to be the one that gets it right. I'm guessing that's about 5 years out. The launch unit probably should be a heavy mess and if it isn't, maybe they weren't ambitious enough.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Welder's face shields do not have the "gasket" pressing against your face, they are closer to a hat, with the way they distribute the load onto your head and how they otherwise do not touch you.
    - criddell 3y ago
      There are all kinds of different shield setups. For example, the one I link to below is a two piece setup where goggles clamp to your face and then a wide shield hangs from the goggles: https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/welding-gear/helmets/Pages/arcspecs-goggles.aspx https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/welding-gear... There are all kinds of attachments you can get that can bring the mass into that 500g neighborhood. The ones from the previous generation were easily 500g.