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there's going be a stigma to wearing this anywhere in public imo. conspicuous consumption dialed up to 11. unless you're in business class.

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
A seat on a long-haul flight is short on personal space, it is pretty much "I'm in public, but I'd rather not be". So wearable devices and sleep masks that signal "leave me alone" are quite common already. Creating "virtual personal space" doesn't seem like a bad idea.
- 5350-uiop-1130 3y ago
  > Creating "virtual personal space" doesn't seem like a bad idea. it's a luxury that many can't afford. "i'm forced to sit among the riff raff of economy so i'm wearing an expensive headset to avoid them"
  - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
    There are many good ideas that many can't afford, there's no contradiction here. long-haul economy flights aren't luxury, but neither are they poverty. If I have to long-haul economy, then I usually create virtual personal space by splashing out $10 on some kindle books, and when my eyes finally glaze over, a sleep mask as a cheaper VR headset and "leave me alone" signal.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  "Being" in whatever virtual world you want isn't going to stop the person next to you from being rude and intruding in your space.
Yujiro 3y ago
When I look around in the economy class (HKG-CDG), many people are sitting here with iPads Pro or MacBooks. The financial difference to the VisionPro is not that huge.
- dvhh 3y ago
  But in class, wearing those there would be (afaik), no clear indicator of you paying attention to the teaching, that would be more akin to wearing airpod max to the class.
  - magic123_ 3y ago
    I think you misunderstood OP's comment, they were talking about _economy class_ in airplanes, not school classes.
ghaff 3y ago
Plenty of people have zero issue with sporting luxury brands in public. And really something like this isn't even a particularly expensive item by luxury brand standards.
dvhh 3y ago
This would look even less conspicuous than the Google glasses. And unless there is a clear recording indicator (which admitedly sound easier to implement) would bear the same stigma.
senttoschool 3y ago
Does anyone remember wearing Airpods outside in 2017? I did. People starred at me. It looked weird. Nowadays, wearing Airpods signals that you have money and wealth. Give it a few years and no one would care if you have a Vision Pro on in public. And then the cool kids will wear one and suddenly, everyone in high school is asking their parents to buy them one. Apple's brand is incredible, really.
- shinycode 3y ago
  20 years ago people who talked on the street or public transport with hand free kit were weirdos (« they are crazy, they talk alone »). It’s sometimes a matter of how many people use the technology like you said. The more there is, the less it’s noticed …
- expensive_news 3y ago
  That was a strange one. My Freshman year of college I wore AirPods and everyone looked at like I was an idiot with too much money. By my Junior year everyone was wearing AirPods and there was a greater stigma against people with wired earbuds (“oh, you can’t afford AirPods?“). That was only 2 years. I think this AVP is more of a dev tool than a consumer product, but I think by v2 or v3 Apple will pull it off.
  - senttoschool 3y ago
    Exactly. 2017 isn't even that long ago. It'll look weird initially and people will only wear at home. Then by v2, some people will wear it at work and coffee shops. By v3, people might be walking on the street with them on. Apple's brand makes it "cool". Basically, using Apple products is a way to flaunt that you have money and influence. So I don't see why the Vision Pro wouldn't end up being the same.
    - ztrww 3y ago
      AirPods are just earphones without a wire. I don’t see how is this really comparable…
- 3y ago
kennyadam 3y ago
Predictions on Apple stuff are... well, I wouldn't put much stock in predictions around how people will respond. iPad is just a big phone, iPhone doesn't have a keyboard, Airpods look silly, removing headphone socket is a mistake (i agree but didnt stop them selling), etc. Personally, if I had the money, I would buy a Vision Pro day one. Sadly, it's about $3000 out of my price range :( Would I wear it in public? Probably not, but then I have no idea what sort of applications people will create for it, so who knows! If someone creates something like Pokemon Go using the Vision Pro, I could see it suddenly being everywhere. Although I worry that theft will be easy and they're so expensive that not enough people will have them anyway.
- selykg 3y ago
  > Although I worry that theft will be easy and they're so expensive that not enough people will have them anyway. Isn't iDevice theft really low because of the Find My lockdown on devices? I.e. if a device has Find My installed if a device is stolen it can effectively be bricked because it's tied to someone else's Apple ID? I thought this entire thing made theft of Apple devices a mostly non-issue.
  - kennyadam 3y ago
    You're right, I hadn't thought of that. I think most phones now can be remotely disabled, right? This article from April says over 90,000 phones were stolen in London UK alone last year: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/mobile-phone-thefts-robbery-london-police-crime-b1073286.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/mobile-phone-thefts-ro... I'm sure a bunch of them were iPhones, so it still happens. I guess even if you just sell them for parts there's a lot of value in an iPhone and presumably that will be true for the Vision Pro too.
    - soligern 3y ago
      You can’t really sell them for parts either because each iPhone validates it’s particular components and can’t be switched into a different phone.
sebzim4500 3y ago
I would expect people buying this thing to fly business, but I think I have an unusually high aversion to flying economy.
- Yujiro 3y ago
  I fly a lot, would not hesitate to buy VisionPro as a gadget. But business class, nope. In most cases, the price difference is simply too great compared to economy.
  - crooked-v 3y ago
    If I could spend $1800 each way on a business class upgrade, or get a Vision Pro... I know which one I'm picking.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  While I don't have any particular interest in these devices, and won't be getting one, I'm in the general demographic that could easily afford them. I'd never fly business, not if I was paying for it myself. I don't think I know anyone who flies business routinely for personal stuff; it really tends to be very, very expensive for what you get.
  - cassianoleal 3y ago
    If I'm going on a 20h trip where 14 of those are in the air, flying business means I'm tired when I get to my destination but can function the next day - as opposed to 5 useless days when flying economy. If that trip is for anything less than 3 months, the price difference can be well worth it.
mc32 3y ago
It’ll be like upright ostriches heads buried in goggles blind to the outside world. At first it’ll be jarring but as more get pulled in it’ll cease being weird to most people. Still it’s hard to believe people would give up reality to immerse themselves in their disconnected bubble while in public. It’s like the person who loses their senses of perception through tragedy and must imagine everything —except the imagining is being done for them.
- crooked-v 3y ago
  > blind to the outside world So... exactly like the huge number of people who wear sleep masks or blackout sunglasses on planes already?
KronisLV 3y ago
> unless you're in business class. If you can afford one of those devices for around 3500$, isn't this almost a given? I think that my personal PC and everything in my homelab is worth under a half of that.
- ghaff 3y ago
  Not really. Business class can easily have that much of a premium for just one roundtrip international flight. Lots of people would consider buying an expensive computing device they'll get a lot of use out of without also paying thousands of dollars extra every time they fly.
- rhino369 3y ago
  Business class tickets often cost more than 3500 above than coach ticket for a single round trip.
- mrtranscendence 3y ago
  I've spent at least $3500 on my gaming PC, and I may even get an AVP, if the reviews are extremely good. But I would never fly business class unless my company were paying for it (which they only will for international flights ... and we're strictly US-only). It's absurdly expensive and the delta over coach is minimal.

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago

A seat on a long-haul flight is short on personal space, it is pretty much "I'm in public, but I'd rather not be". So wearable devices and sleep masks that signal "leave me alone" are quite common already. Creating "virtual personal space" doesn't seem like a bad idea.

5350-uiop-1130 3y ago
> Creating "virtual personal space" doesn't seem like a bad idea. it's a luxury that many can't afford. "i'm forced to sit among the riff raff of economy so i'm wearing an expensive headset to avoid them"
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
  There are many good ideas that many can't afford, there's no contradiction here. long-haul economy flights aren't luxury, but neither are they poverty. If I have to long-haul economy, then I usually create virtual personal space by splashing out $10 on some kindle books, and when my eyes finally glaze over, a sleep mask as a cheaper VR headset and "leave me alone" signal.
mrguyorama 3y ago
"Being" in whatever virtual world you want isn't going to stop the person next to you from being rude and intruding in your space.

Yujiro 3y ago

When I look around in the economy class (HKG-CDG), many people are sitting here with iPads Pro or MacBooks. The financial difference to the VisionPro is not that huge.

dvhh 3y ago
But in class, wearing those there would be (afaik), no clear indicator of you paying attention to the teaching, that would be more akin to wearing airpod max to the class.
- magic123_ 3y ago
  I think you misunderstood OP's comment, they were talking about _economy class_ in airplanes, not school classes.

ghaff 3y ago

Plenty of people have zero issue with sporting luxury brands in public. And really something like this isn't even a particularly expensive item by luxury brand standards.

dvhh 3y ago

This would look even less conspicuous than the Google glasses. And unless there is a clear recording indicator (which admitedly sound easier to implement) would bear the same stigma.

senttoschool 3y ago

Does anyone remember wearing Airpods outside in 2017? I did. People starred at me. It looked weird. Nowadays, wearing Airpods signals that you have money and wealth. Give it a few years and no one would care if you have a Vision Pro on in public. And then the cool kids will wear one and suddenly, everyone in high school is asking their parents to buy them one. Apple's brand is incredible, really.

shinycode 3y ago
20 years ago people who talked on the street or public transport with hand free kit were weirdos (« they are crazy, they talk alone »). It’s sometimes a matter of how many people use the technology like you said. The more there is, the less it’s noticed …
expensive_news 3y ago
That was a strange one. My Freshman year of college I wore AirPods and everyone looked at like I was an idiot with too much money. By my Junior year everyone was wearing AirPods and there was a greater stigma against people with wired earbuds (“oh, you can’t afford AirPods?“). That was only 2 years. I think this AVP is more of a dev tool than a consumer product, but I think by v2 or v3 Apple will pull it off.
- senttoschool 3y ago
  Exactly. 2017 isn't even that long ago. It'll look weird initially and people will only wear at home. Then by v2, some people will wear it at work and coffee shops. By v3, people might be walking on the street with them on. Apple's brand makes it "cool". Basically, using Apple products is a way to flaunt that you have money and influence. So I don't see why the Vision Pro wouldn't end up being the same.
  - ztrww 3y ago
    AirPods are just earphones without a wire. I don’t see how is this really comparable…
3y ago

kennyadam 3y ago

Predictions on Apple stuff are... well, I wouldn't put much stock in predictions around how people will respond. iPad is just a big phone, iPhone doesn't have a keyboard, Airpods look silly, removing headphone socket is a mistake (i agree but didnt stop them selling), etc. Personally, if I had the money, I would buy a Vision Pro day one. Sadly, it's about $3000 out of my price range :( Would I wear it in public? Probably not, but then I have no idea what sort of applications people will create for it, so who knows! If someone creates something like Pokemon Go using the Vision Pro, I could see it suddenly being everywhere. Although I worry that theft will be easy and they're so expensive that not enough people will have them anyway.

selykg 3y ago
> Although I worry that theft will be easy and they're so expensive that not enough people will have them anyway. Isn't iDevice theft really low because of the Find My lockdown on devices? I.e. if a device has Find My installed if a device is stolen it can effectively be bricked because it's tied to someone else's Apple ID? I thought this entire thing made theft of Apple devices a mostly non-issue.
- kennyadam 3y ago
  You're right, I hadn't thought of that. I think most phones now can be remotely disabled, right? This article from April says over 90,000 phones were stolen in London UK alone last year: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/mobile-phone-thefts-robbery-london-police-crime-b1073286.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/mobile-phone-thefts-ro... I'm sure a bunch of them were iPhones, so it still happens. I guess even if you just sell them for parts there's a lot of value in an iPhone and presumably that will be true for the Vision Pro too.
  - soligern 3y ago
    You can’t really sell them for parts either because each iPhone validates it’s particular components and can’t be switched into a different phone.

sebzim4500 3y ago

I would expect people buying this thing to fly business, but I think I have an unusually high aversion to flying economy.

Yujiro 3y ago
I fly a lot, would not hesitate to buy VisionPro as a gadget. But business class, nope. In most cases, the price difference is simply too great compared to economy.
- crooked-v 3y ago
  If I could spend $1800 each way on a business class upgrade, or get a Vision Pro... I know which one I'm picking.
rsynnott 3y ago
While I don't have any particular interest in these devices, and won't be getting one, I'm in the general demographic that could easily afford them. I'd never fly business, not if I was paying for it myself. I don't think I know anyone who flies business routinely for personal stuff; it really tends to be very, very expensive for what you get.
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  If I'm going on a 20h trip where 14 of those are in the air, flying business means I'm tired when I get to my destination but can function the next day - as opposed to 5 useless days when flying economy. If that trip is for anything less than 3 months, the price difference can be well worth it.

mc32 3y ago

It’ll be like upright ostriches heads buried in goggles blind to the outside world. At first it’ll be jarring but as more get pulled in it’ll cease being weird to most people. Still it’s hard to believe people would give up reality to immerse themselves in their disconnected bubble while in public. It’s like the person who loses their senses of perception through tragedy and must imagine everything —except the imagining is being done for them.

crooked-v 3y ago
> blind to the outside world So... exactly like the huge number of people who wear sleep masks or blackout sunglasses on planes already?

KronisLV 3y ago

> unless you're in business class. If you can afford one of those devices for around 3500$, isn't this almost a given? I think that my personal PC and everything in my homelab is worth under a half of that.

ghaff 3y ago
Not really. Business class can easily have that much of a premium for just one roundtrip international flight. Lots of people would consider buying an expensive computing device they'll get a lot of use out of without also paying thousands of dollars extra every time they fly.
rhino369 3y ago
Business class tickets often cost more than 3500 above than coach ticket for a single round trip.
mrtranscendence 3y ago
I've spent at least $3500 on my gaming PC, and I may even get an AVP, if the reviews are extremely good. But I would never fly business class unless my company were paying for it (which they only will for international flights ... and we're strictly US-only). It's absurdly expensive and the delta over coach is minimal.