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So i heard. How are they gonna find seniors in the future if they don't invest in juniors now, i wonder.

iExploder 3y ago
assumes most companies care about future as opposed to putting out immediate fires and delivering over-promises to customers :)
GianFabien 3y ago
A graybeard here ... they don't want us, we cost too much and our tendency to call out BS is not appreciated. Maybe that's just in Oz, YMMV.
- ineedausername 3y ago
  You mean to tell me that they don't wanna hire seniors in your area? Idk the market seems to be looking mainly for senior+.
  - roflyear 3y ago
    They want senior+ who are <35yo, but then when they interview the 35yo for a senior position, they give them an offer for a non-senior role so they can pay them less.
    - emptysongglass 3y ago
      Jesus is 35+ graybeard territory?
      - JoyfulTurkey 3y ago
        I have been wondering the same. Depending on the job posting and how the company looks online, I have selectively left off lots of experience and simply said "10+ years of experience"
      - 7speter 3y ago
        My beard started graying at 31. Maybe it was just the stress of 2020… and 2008…
      - roflyear 3y ago
        No didn't mean to imply that, but tech companies are looking for some unicorn of young with a ton of relevant experience. Young is because ... they can pay them less. My point is they have someone in mind for these "senior" positions and it is hot an older professional.
    - nerdchum 3y ago
      That sounds great as long as I dont have to do a seniors job. Less responsibility is fine by me!
      - roflyear 3y ago
        Rarely does it shake out that way - it is usually the other way! More responsibility ("you'll need to grow into the role, or work hard to be promoted") and less pay :)
        nerdchum 3y ago
        Just going to start normalizing being fired due to making me go out of my job description
    - gitgud 3y ago
      I thought you didn’t need to disclose your age when applying in Australia?
      - GianFabien 3y ago
        You don't. But even with a good haircut and trendy clothes when you are 50+ nobody is going to guess you're only 31. You can trim your CV to only show last 10 years, but the roles are somehow still a tell.
      - roflyear 3y ago
        You don't disclose your age in the US either, but it's pretty easy to find via linkedin graduation dates, or just... looking at you. I think most companies just judge during the video screening. Maybe we can have AI spruce up our video call avatars to be better looking and more mature. Haha.
nine_zeros 3y ago
> So i heard. How are they gonna find seniors in the future if they don't invest in juniors now, i wonder. Magically, automatically. You are really giving employers too much credit. It only takes a few years of watching middle management to see how silly planning is. Don't raise management on a pedestal.
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assumes most companies care about future as opposed to putting out immediate fires and delivering over-promises to customers :)

GianFabien 3y ago

A graybeard here ... they don't want us, we cost too much and our tendency to call out BS is not appreciated. Maybe that's just in Oz, YMMV.

ineedausername 3y ago
You mean to tell me that they don't wanna hire seniors in your area? Idk the market seems to be looking mainly for senior+.
- roflyear 3y ago
  They want senior+ who are <35yo, but then when they interview the 35yo for a senior position, they give them an offer for a non-senior role so they can pay them less.
  - emptysongglass 3y ago
    Jesus is 35+ graybeard territory?
    - JoyfulTurkey 3y ago
      I have been wondering the same. Depending on the job posting and how the company looks online, I have selectively left off lots of experience and simply said "10+ years of experience"
    - 7speter 3y ago
      My beard started graying at 31. Maybe it was just the stress of 2020… and 2008…
    - roflyear 3y ago
      No didn't mean to imply that, but tech companies are looking for some unicorn of young with a ton of relevant experience. Young is because ... they can pay them less. My point is they have someone in mind for these "senior" positions and it is hot an older professional.
  - nerdchum 3y ago
    That sounds great as long as I dont have to do a seniors job. Less responsibility is fine by me!
    - roflyear 3y ago
      Rarely does it shake out that way - it is usually the other way! More responsibility ("you'll need to grow into the role, or work hard to be promoted") and less pay :)
      - nerdchum 3y ago
        Just going to start normalizing being fired due to making me go out of my job description
  - gitgud 3y ago
    I thought you didn’t need to disclose your age when applying in Australia?
    - GianFabien 3y ago
      You don't. But even with a good haircut and trendy clothes when you are 50+ nobody is going to guess you're only 31. You can trim your CV to only show last 10 years, but the roles are somehow still a tell.
    - roflyear 3y ago
      You don't disclose your age in the US either, but it's pretty easy to find via linkedin graduation dates, or just... looking at you. I think most companies just judge during the video screening. Maybe we can have AI spruce up our video call avatars to be better looking and more mature. Haha.

nine_zeros 3y ago

> So i heard. How are they gonna find seniors in the future if they don't invest in juniors now, i wonder. Magically, automatically. You are really giving employers too much credit. It only takes a few years of watching middle management to see how silly planning is. Don't raise management on a pedestal.

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