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They indeed sometimes destroyed some properties But you cannot blame them for the violence in the protest they co-organized. People are free to attend the prot
by skitout 3y ago
They indeed sometimes destroyed some properties
But you cannot blame them for the violence in the protest they co-organized. People are free to attend the protest, and they cannot control them. They never called for violence against police. And most protest now in France have some people fighting with the police.
The same way you can see firefighters throwing stuff (including petanque ball) to police during firefighers protest. But you cannot blame the firefigheter union for this.
- JustBreath 3y ago[flagged]
- kbelder 3y agoHave to call you out to give you credit, that was an elegant riposte.
- newsclues 3y agoIf some Neo-nazis co-organize a protest, and it becomes violent, do you blame the neo-nazis? Just wondering if your reasoning is based on logic or political sides.
- mrguyorama 3y agoIf the Neo-nazis is protesting something like workers rights, I would probably turn a blind eye. My reasoning is based on ACTIONS
- skitout 3y agoDepend which kind of Neo-Nazi organization (they are illegal in France and most of them in France do like to punch people and say it), and co-organized with whom, and depend on what is saying these Neo-Nazi But for sure I do blame Neo-Nazi for being Neo-Nazi !
- cykros 3y agoFighting back against totalitarianism by doing away with freedom of association and assembly. Cute. No better than the gang laws we have here in the US. It seems Jefferson's rule about 200 years or so between revolutions was right after all.
- newsclues 3y agoWhat about just regular fascists then? Do you blame fascists for violence, perhaps caused by communists?
- ElFitz 3y agoA significant majority (67%) of the currently active low ranking French police force (not counting the retirees) vote, or at least declare they intend to, for one the parties that has historically been as right wing as one can be. Taking that into account, one could have reasons to believe cops wouldn’t be as tough on protesting fascists, and that protesting fascists wouldn’t be as violent towards cops. Though I’d be curious to see wether or not facts support this hunch.
- ilyt 3y agoIf it happens once it's accident, if it happens constantly, its their responsibility if not starting a protest at all would prevent the violence And if they put their label on it it's their responsibility.
- mistermann 3y agoJust because someone is a catalyst, I don't see how it logically and necessarily follows that 100% of the causal responsibility falls on them. This seems objectively reductive and represents ideological beliefs as objective facts. Maybe the masses are upset and this is a sign of things to come, that should be listened to.
- stjohnswarts 3y agoMyself, I'm a peaceful guy, if every protest I called (assuming I'm a "leader" of cause $INSERT_CAUSE_HERE ) resulted in violence, I would not call any more protests because that would go against my personal values. So it's hard to believe a group is peaceful if every time they have a protest it turns into a riot.
- Out_of_Characte 3y agoWould you be okay with being jailed for destruction of property because of a protest you organised that was co-opted by bad actors?
- skitout 3y agoThen you could not organize any "leftist" protest in France :-) Note that they do destroy stuff, they just don't call violence against people. And definitely don't turn in riot every time
- mrguyorama 3y agoSo now the state can silence you by simply sending plainclothes cops to start riots in all your protests
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