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The very first leaked Stratfor email I looked at just now (see below) seems to have the same level of detail and passionate debate that we Hackernews types get
by alister 15y ago
The very first leaked Stratfor email I looked at just now (see below) seems to have the same level of detail and passionate debate that we Hackernews types get into when we're discussing crypto policy or the design of network protocols.
I've never before read anything from Stratfor, and I was willing to accept the OP's assertion that they slap together public data, but seeing this one email makes me already doubt the OP. Do editors at The Atlantic and The Economist have intricate discussions about Medvedev vs Timoshenko to figure out Putin's actions?
From: "Marc Lanthemann"
To: "Alpha List"
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:48:33 PM
Subject: [alpha] INSIGHT - UKRAINE - Moscow-Kiev Spat - UA111
CODE: UA111
PUBLICATION: yes
ATTRIBUTION: STRATFOR sources in Kiev
SOURCE DESCRIPTION: A senior pro-western diplomat in Kiev
SOURCE RELIABILITY: B
ITEM CREDIBILITY: B
DISTRIBUTION: Alpha
HANDLER: Lauren
Yes, yes, the spat between Kiev and Moscow has been really fun to watch.
But Yanukovich may be overstepping his bounds with the Kremlin if he keeps
this up. He has already really ticked off Putina**who didna**t like him to
begin with.
You already pretty much know this storya**Putin never wanted Yanukovich in
power without a counter-balance to keep him in check. Putin knew
Yanukovich could win on his own, but wanted a super-majority in order to
solidify the Kremlina**s meddling in Kiev. He wanted that to be
Timoshenko, not because she is pro-Russian, but that she was the most
easily bought out of all the top politicians. Of course, this is what got
her in trouble and arrested.
But Medvedev has never liked Timoshenko, mainly because she gave him no
respect in any meeting and would only deal with Putin personally. Medvedev
made the decision that Timoshenko cana**t be put into power, so he made a
deal with Putin. Medvedev swore that he would keep Yanukovich in line if
Putin dropped his support of Timoshenko. Putin agreed in return for being
the one to draw up the list of new Ukrainians going into power in the SBU,
military, ministries, etc. Also that Russia would get the base extension
it had been pushing for.
So when Timoshenko and Yanukovich showed up in Moscow at the end of 2009,
the tandem broke the news to Yanukovich privately that they were willing
to drop support for Timoshenko if he would agree to Putina**s list of
demands. Yanukovich jumped all over it, naturally.
Now that Yanukovich is acting out, Putin has snapped the leash on Medvedev
to fix this. It is kind of a test for Medvedev. This is why the railing
against Ukraine has come from Medvedev, not Putin. Question is which lever
will Medvedev pull to get Yanukovich back in line.
--
Lauren Goodrich
Senior Eurasia Analyst
STRATFOR
T: 512.744.4311
F: 512.744.4334
lauren.goodrich@stratfor.com
www.stratfor.com
- tptacek 15y agoYou may have a point. It is hard to find intricate discussions of Timoshenko and Medvedev. You have to know about news.google.com, and how to spell both of their names. Seriously, though: remember also, because Stratfor is not a legit journalism outpost, they can spice up their output in ways that e.g. Reuters, The Economist, and Bloomberg can't. Bloomberg can't write "Medvedev has never liked Timoshenko, mainly because she gave him no respect..." without an attributable source. Stratfor, on the other hand, can just make shit like this up, or source from random people who are themselves just making shit up.
- revelation 15y agoNone of that ever ends up in the actual articles, but you would know that had you read any of them. And I admire your naive belief in "legit journalism outposts". Knee-deep in two wars and you didn't ever learn why.