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It's understandable yet sad that actively fighting against reactionnary movements puts you on a watchlist. Freedom fighters being equated to terrorists once aga

It's understandable yet sad that actively fighting against reactionnary movements puts you on a watchlist. Freedom fighters being equated to terrorists once again...

BiteCode_dev 3y ago
I use linux, signal and ublock, I listen to political debates, and I'm seldom a freedom fighter. They are basically saying "if you close the door of the toilets when you poop, you are suspicious".
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Part of the snowden documents revealed that anyone who had ever visited the Tor web site, not even downloading the client, was on one of the NSAs "lists"
  - bauruine 3y ago
    This "list" thing sounds like FUD when you read articles with a titel like "U.S. Intelligence Has Amassed 'Sensitive and Intimate' Data on 'Nearly Everyone'" https://gizmodo.com/u-s-intelligence-admits-it-hoards-data-on-americans-1850533428 https://gizmodo.com/u-s-intelligence-admits-it-hoards-data-o...
mantas 3y ago
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- lannisterstark 3y ago
  >That's a very subjective view. I don't think fighting for your civil rights is a 'very subjective view.' If you don't think people should have their civil rights, the questionable position isn't the activists'.
  - mantas 3y ago
    Historically far left loves to take away civil rights just like any other extremists.
    - lannisterstark 3y ago
      Problem is not that fighting for your civil right makes you a far left, problem is the potential definition you may have of the far left. If the people were advocating for a state-incorporated everything ala Soviet style communism, I'd agree with you. They aren't.
      - mantas 3y ago
        Another problem is how people define civil rights. We're past the point when „civil rights“ or „human rights“ had an universal meaning. You want democracy? Good. You want to limit corporations to make sure small businesses stand a fair chance? Ok. You want to touch personal property, cancel opponents or abolish borders/police/military/etc? Russian boat that way.
        logicprog 3y ago
        > abolish borders/police/military/etc? Russian boat that way. Ah yes, Soviet Russia, known for... Uh... Not having borders, police, or military. Come on man. Not all far left ideologies are authoritarian, there's a whole authoritarian-libertarian axis. Many far leftists hate authoritarians, including left wing authoritarians like state socialists, as much as you do.
        mantas 3y ago
        Soviet Russia did abolish many borders, police forces and militaries... To enforce their own :) So far I've met two types of far-left. Flat-out authoritarians. Or „non-authoritarians“ who stay silent on implementation of their ideas. Probably because their ideas can be implemented (and, more importantly, kept in place) either authoritarian methods. Or full support in society, which is unrealistic.

It's understandable yet sad that actively fighting against reactionnary movements puts you on a watchlist. Freedom fighters being equated to terrorists once again...

BiteCode_dev 3y ago

I use linux, signal and ublock, I listen to political debates, and I'm seldom a freedom fighter. They are basically saying "if you close the door of the toilets when you poop, you are suspicious".

mrguyorama 3y ago
Part of the snowden documents revealed that anyone who had ever visited the Tor web site, not even downloading the client, was on one of the NSAs "lists"
- bauruine 3y ago
  This "list" thing sounds like FUD when you read articles with a titel like "U.S. Intelligence Has Amassed 'Sensitive and Intimate' Data on 'Nearly Everyone'" https://gizmodo.com/u-s-intelligence-admits-it-hoards-data-on-americans-1850533428 https://gizmodo.com/u-s-intelligence-admits-it-hoards-data-o...

mantas 3y ago

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lannisterstark 3y ago
>That's a very subjective view. I don't think fighting for your civil rights is a 'very subjective view.' If you don't think people should have their civil rights, the questionable position isn't the activists'.
- mantas 3y ago
  Historically far left loves to take away civil rights just like any other extremists.
  - lannisterstark 3y ago
    Problem is not that fighting for your civil right makes you a far left, problem is the potential definition you may have of the far left. If the people were advocating for a state-incorporated everything ala Soviet style communism, I'd agree with you. They aren't.
    - mantas 3y ago
      Another problem is how people define civil rights. We're past the point when „civil rights“ or „human rights“ had an universal meaning. You want democracy? Good. You want to limit corporations to make sure small businesses stand a fair chance? Ok. You want to touch personal property, cancel opponents or abolish borders/police/military/etc? Russian boat that way.
      - logicprog 3y ago
        > abolish borders/police/military/etc? Russian boat that way. Ah yes, Soviet Russia, known for... Uh... Not having borders, police, or military. Come on man. Not all far left ideologies are authoritarian, there's a whole authoritarian-libertarian axis. Many far leftists hate authoritarians, including left wing authoritarians like state socialists, as much as you do.
        mantas 3y ago
        Soviet Russia did abolish many borders, police forces and militaries... To enforce their own :) So far I've met two types of far-left. Flat-out authoritarians. Or „non-authoritarians“ who stay silent on implementation of their ideas. Probably because their ideas can be implemented (and, more importantly, kept in place) either authoritarian methods. Or full support in society, which is unrealistic.