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The plug-ins are for the home environment, customized to be ideal and cover all bases. Like a home office. The core functionality being available everywhere m

The plug-ins are for the home environment, customized to be ideal and cover all bases. Like a home office. The core functionality being available everywhere means a familiar and efficient, even if not ideal and complete, suite is available everywhere else: servers, other computers, a new system. For transient / temporary use. Like on a business trip, a flight, or the conference.

eviks 3y ago
Except it's neither familiar nor efficient because, e.g., you're using your custom keybindings in your "home office" (and there are a dozen of more things that become integral to your editing experience), all of which would break down your basics. Just like you wouldn't use a random laptop during a business trip and expect to be efficient, you'd bring your own!
- davidatbu 3y ago
  A data point: I'm a plugin-heavy neovim user, and I wholeheartedly testify that familiarity with vi modal editing is incredibly useful when ssh-ing into remote systems, and I don't have my plugins.
  - jcparkyn 3y ago
    Not to disagree, but these days vscode (and probably others, but vscode is the best I've tried) mostly alleviates that need with remote editing. It also has a few objective benefits, like eliminating typing latency (e.g. if your remote machine is on the other side of the globe), and letting you keep all your local settings and extensions (mostly).
    - davidatbu 3y ago
      I def wanna try that out sometime! It does sound to me like that is not a consequence of the GUI-ness of VSCode, but just the man-hours that go into making it. In other words, it doesn't sound like that experience can't be replicated in terminal-only editors. If anyone has experience with remote editing in a terminal editor, but not through an ssh shell (ie, the traditional way), I'm very interested in hearing your experience.
      - zambal 3y ago
        > If anyone has experience with remote editing in a terminal editor, but not through an ssh shell (ie, the traditional way), I'm very interested in hearing your experience. As usual, emacs has a mode for everything: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TrampMode https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TrampMode
      - xolox 3y ago
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      - akho 3y ago
        Emacs’ TRAMP works well (it’s been available since at least '99, and has been built-in for as long as I can remember), and supports most everything (ssh, ftp, docker, whatever you can get at with rclone, ...). It also works fine with dired (the built-in file manager), eshell, whatever. The mostly-single-threaded nature of Emacs gets in the way sometimes.

eviks 3y ago

Except it's neither familiar nor efficient because, e.g., you're using your custom keybindings in your "home office" (and there are a dozen of more things that become integral to your editing experience), all of which would break down your basics. Just like you wouldn't use a random laptop during a business trip and expect to be efficient, you'd bring your own!

davidatbu 3y ago
A data point: I'm a plugin-heavy neovim user, and I wholeheartedly testify that familiarity with vi modal editing is incredibly useful when ssh-ing into remote systems, and I don't have my plugins.
- jcparkyn 3y ago
  Not to disagree, but these days vscode (and probably others, but vscode is the best I've tried) mostly alleviates that need with remote editing. It also has a few objective benefits, like eliminating typing latency (e.g. if your remote machine is on the other side of the globe), and letting you keep all your local settings and extensions (mostly).
  - davidatbu 3y ago
    I def wanna try that out sometime! It does sound to me like that is not a consequence of the GUI-ness of VSCode, but just the man-hours that go into making it. In other words, it doesn't sound like that experience can't be replicated in terminal-only editors. If anyone has experience with remote editing in a terminal editor, but not through an ssh shell (ie, the traditional way), I'm very interested in hearing your experience.
    - zambal 3y ago
      > If anyone has experience with remote editing in a terminal editor, but not through an ssh shell (ie, the traditional way), I'm very interested in hearing your experience. As usual, emacs has a mode for everything: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TrampMode https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TrampMode
    - xolox 3y ago
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    - akho 3y ago
      Emacs’ TRAMP works well (it’s been available since at least '99, and has been built-in for as long as I can remember), and supports most everything (ssh, ftp, docker, whatever you can get at with rclone, ...). It also works fine with dired (the built-in file manager), eshell, whatever. The mostly-single-threaded nature of Emacs gets in the way sometimes.