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The post says that it does default to off: > Later this summer, you’ll see the option to participate in our telemetry system and help improve 1Password. You do

The post says that it does default to off: > Later this summer, you’ll see the option to participate in our telemetry system and help improve 1Password. You don’t need to take any action right now, and we won’t collect any usage data without your awareness and consent first. Developing modern software without being able to observe its operation is simply not realistic. Telemetry of this sort is an important driver of software quality and product improvement. I’m convinced that people who talk this way are not recognizing the important distinctions between google-analytics-style tracking software that is just trying to squeeze more money out of users and observability-style tracking that is a key part of the software development lifecycle. If you refuse to acknowledge any value in the latter then you deserve the buggy software that results.

sneak 3y ago
> Developing modern software without being able to observe its operation is simply not realistic. Go manages to do it, as does Linux, and Debian. I think this sort of thinking is poisonous. Just because it is common does not make it ethical or justified.
- manfre 3y ago
  Discussion of Go toolchain wanting to add telemetry for these same reasons. This casts doubts on how well they're managing to do it. https://github.com/golang/go/discussions/58409 https://github.com/golang/go/discussions/58409
  - sneak 3y ago
    They concluded (correctly) that opt-in was the only reasonable approach.
    - semiquaver 3y ago
      Be careful you don’t hurt yourself moving those goalposts.
- charcircuit 3y ago
  >as does Linux Linux has a lot of telemetry features which businesses can use to aggregate data on how it is operating. These businesses if they identify problems submit patches to fix them. >and Debian Debian has telemtry on what packages people install. https://popcon.debian.org/ https://popcon.debian.org/
hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
It's like "how did we ever build functional products without the ability to spy on you all the time??" I don't disagree that telemetry is ubiquitous in modern software and pretty much built into modern software dev lifecycles, but it's not like we didn't build lots of capable software before this was the case. Heck, 1Password itself seemed to be doing fine without any telemetry in the past. The point people are making is that the one place you probably don't want telemetry software is your system critical password manager. There is a lot of potential for an "oopsie" where something accidentally gets sent that shouldn't get sent, and that's what people have an issue with.
- semiquaver 3y ago
  Lots of people on this very forum have bitterly complained about a supposed major drop in product quality for 1Password since their relatively recent adoption of a cross-platform electron app.

sneak 3y ago

> Developing modern software without being able to observe its operation is simply not realistic. Go manages to do it, as does Linux, and Debian. I think this sort of thinking is poisonous. Just because it is common does not make it ethical or justified.

manfre 3y ago
Discussion of Go toolchain wanting to add telemetry for these same reasons. This casts doubts on how well they're managing to do it. https://github.com/golang/go/discussions/58409 https://github.com/golang/go/discussions/58409
- sneak 3y ago
  They concluded (correctly) that opt-in was the only reasonable approach.
  - semiquaver 3y ago
    Be careful you don’t hurt yourself moving those goalposts.
charcircuit 3y ago
>as does Linux Linux has a lot of telemetry features which businesses can use to aggregate data on how it is operating. These businesses if they identify problems submit patches to fix them. >and Debian Debian has telemtry on what packages people install. https://popcon.debian.org/ https://popcon.debian.org/

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago

It's like "how did we ever build functional products without the ability to spy on you all the time??" I don't disagree that telemetry is ubiquitous in modern software and pretty much built into modern software dev lifecycles, but it's not like we didn't build lots of capable software before this was the case. Heck, 1Password itself seemed to be doing fine without any telemetry in the past. The point people are making is that the one place you probably don't want telemetry software is your system critical password manager. There is a lot of potential for an "oopsie" where something accidentally gets sent that shouldn't get sent, and that's what people have an issue with.

semiquaver 3y ago
Lots of people on this very forum have bitterly complained about a supposed major drop in product quality for 1Password since their relatively recent adoption of a cross-platform electron app.