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Neither a web browser, nor the iPhone are remotely comparable to a general purpose computer in terms of free use

by stemlord 3y ago

ramesh31 3y ago
I've never understood this criticism of iOS. It is a fully fledged general purpose operating system with bare metal access and ability to run anything that can be compiled. Sure you can't distribute apps that do whatever you want on the app store. But there is absolutely nothing about iOS that makes it any less of a general purpose computing platform than Windows or Linux.
- linkjuice4all 3y ago
  Many of us learned development by using a computer to program apps that then ran on that same computer. As far as I’m aware you can’t do that with iOS devices (potentially including the AR ones).
  - ramesh31 3y ago
    >As far as I’m aware you can’t do that with iOS devices (potentially including the AR ones). Sure you can. You can fire up Xcode right now and build a self signed app to your phone with whatever the heck you want in it. Distributing that on the App Store is another story, but there's nothing stopping you from executing whatever arbitrary code you'd like on your own phone.
    - emberfiend 3y ago
      This misses the "same computer" stipulation, no?
- omnicognate 3y ago
  On iOS you don't have root. This prevents you doing many things with it, which is why jailbreaking exists. The fact that you can write an app and deploy it directly to a restricted number of devices for testing (if you're on the Apple Developer Program and own a Mac) doesn't change that. Try altering the iOS home screen behaviour, directly accessing the filesystem, writing your own device driver or tweaking the kernel. You certainly don't have "bare metal access" except by voiding your warranty and risking bricking your device by jailbreaking it, if there even is a jailbreak exploit that currently works on your device.

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Neither a web browser, nor the iPhone are remotely comparable to a general purpose computer in terms of free use

by stemlord 3y ago

Neither a web browser, nor the iPhone are remotely comparable to a general purpose computer in terms of free use

ramesh31 3y ago
I've never understood this criticism of iOS. It is a fully fledged general purpose operating system with bare metal access and ability to run anything that can be compiled. Sure you can't distribute apps that do whatever you want on the app store. But there is absolutely nothing about iOS that makes it any less of a general purpose computing platform than Windows or Linux.
- linkjuice4all 3y ago
  Many of us learned development by using a computer to program apps that then ran on that same computer. As far as I’m aware you can’t do that with iOS devices (potentially including the AR ones).
  - ramesh31 3y ago
    >As far as I’m aware you can’t do that with iOS devices (potentially including the AR ones). Sure you can. You can fire up Xcode right now and build a self signed app to your phone with whatever the heck you want in it. Distributing that on the App Store is another story, but there's nothing stopping you from executing whatever arbitrary code you'd like on your own phone.
    - emberfiend 3y ago
      This misses the "same computer" stipulation, no?
- omnicognate 3y ago
  On iOS you don't have root. This prevents you doing many things with it, which is why jailbreaking exists. The fact that you can write an app and deploy it directly to a restricted number of devices for testing (if you're on the Apple Developer Program and own a Mac) doesn't change that. Try altering the iOS home screen behaviour, directly accessing the filesystem, writing your own device driver or tweaking the kernel. You certainly don't have "bare metal access" except by voiding your warranty and risking bricking your device by jailbreaking it, if there even is a jailbreak exploit that currently works on your device.