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> - Diversity teams are the least diverse IME DEI is usually a function rolled into HR (although they often contract with diversity training firms), rather tha
by telotortium 3y ago
> - Diversity teams are the least diverse
IME DEI is usually a function rolled into HR (although they often contract with diversity training firms), rather than a separate team, except at large companies. Where there are separate DEI teams, they tend to be the most diverse, at least among the white-collar workforce - the requirements for these jobs tend to be quite nonspecific, because they don't really need to do much besides write stuff and give presentations related to diversity. These tasks can, at a pinch, be mostly handed off to interns and ChatGPT, or else involve cribbing from preexisting presentation templates. The actual engineering, PM, etc., teams tend to be less diverse - graduates of specific university programs tend to be less diverse, in the non-euphemistic sense, than university graduates as a whole.
- fwungy 3y agoIt's a make work job for providing political favors, e.g. politician's niece is given an easy job in exchange for future or past favors.
- JenrHywy 3y agoThey may be more diverse in terms of race and sexuality, but have very little diversity of opinion and worldview.
- spondylosaurus 3y agoLittle diversity of opinion and worldview how? (Should DEI teams be hiring people who are against diversity, equity, and inclusion?)
- a_subsystem 3y agoThey would benefit from being open to discussion, which they are generally not. There are an absolute plethora of examples. See Peter Boghossian's street interviews/surveys for example.
- LawTalkingGuy 3y ago> Should DEI teams be hiring people who are against [...] Yes, otherwise you're saying hiring is just a political test.
- spondylosaurus 3y agoNo it's not, lol. Logistically speaking, it makes zero sense to hire an anti-diversity advocate for a DEI role. Companies only have DEI teams because they want to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion; they wouldn't hire someone who's actively going to detract from that effort. It'd be like hiring a reckless loudmouth who loves to make people look bad as your head of PR. Literally the opposite of what you need them to accomplish. (I also find it suspect that equity or inclusion are "political," but that's another matter.)
- LawTalkingGuy 3y ago> I also find it suspect that equity or inclusion are "political," The way you say "suspect" seems like an attempt to sway opinion, which seems like a tacit admission that that the terms are political. For instance, inclusion of who? What groups do you divide the world's people into such that you need one of every group for proper representation? > Logistically speaking, it makes zero sense to hire an anti-diversity advocate for a DEI role. I think most people can do jobs they don't agree with. An engineer can design a bridge that they didn't vote for, an administrator can follow rules they wouldn't have chosen, etc. > Companies only have DEI teams because they want to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion; How should you do that though? Is any diversity of thought allowed? For instance, is anyone allowed to think that affirmative action is ultimately harmful and focus on the diversity and inclusion over "equity", and/or argue for what they feel are more helpful methods? Is DEI defined as a specific set of practices or a general goal of bettering society?
- telotortium 3y agoGenerally, the people in support of DEI are fond of the expression "the personal is political" or even "everything is political", so why wouldn't DEI be political? Given that it involves the organization of society and is controversial, DEI seems like the prototypical example of something political. It would be clearer for everyone if DEI openly accepted their role as political commissars.
- rqtwteye 3y ago"Where there are separate DEI teams, they tend to be the most diverse," That's not my observation at all.