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With recent integration of Copilot Chat in vscode, I’m less inclined to use Neovim or any terminal based editor. I think terminals had a time and place, but it’

With recent integration of Copilot Chat in vscode, I’m less inclined to use Neovim or any terminal based editor. I think terminals had a time and place, but it’s time we moved on to tools that are more user friendly and provide better features.

imbnwa 3y ago
TUI vs GUI seems orthogonal here, there are Copilot plugins for Neovim. Microsoft deciding what capabilities to make exclusive to its editor GUI is just vendor lock-in, not a fundamental refutation of the paradigm of modal TUI editors.
tester457 3y ago
There's no reason why GUI tools can't embrace modal editing.
- steve_taylor 3y ago
  Also no reason terminal editors have to be modal, e.g. pico/nano
acaloiar 3y ago
> I think terminals had a time and place, but it’s time we moved on to tools that are more user friendly and provide better features. The terminal is not an impediment to "better features", and "user friendliness" is purely a subjective matter. I find VSCode deeply unfriendly to my preferred method of editing code, and I imagine VSCode users find vim, kakoune, and emacs similarly unfriendly to their preferred method of editing code. Nobody is wrong in their findings -- what one finds unfriendly is objectively true to them. But to say that I find VSCode deeply unfriendly is it not the same as your implying that terminals preclude "better" features and user friendliness. I'm simply recognizing preference, while what what you're saying seems to discount my (and that of many others) preference. [edited for grammar and clarity]
davidatbu 3y ago
I just skimmed the release blog post for Copilot Chat, and I don't see why it can't be implemented in a terminal based editor. Copilot itself was.
sethrin 3y ago
I've been using the vim vscode plugin in vscode-nightly with Copilot Chat for a few weeks. I'm far from a vim expert, but I think you don't understand the point of vim, which is perhaps best understood as a language for text manipulation. Also, I have not found the chat feature of Copilot to be particularly useful.
triyambakam 3y ago
We? Speak for yourself
sublinear 3y ago
> I think terminals had a time and place This is far beyond just an opinion about text editors. The terminal isn't going anywhere. It's the fallback, or sometimes the only, interactive mode available. Many developers use both vscode and vim on a daily basis, including myself. I see them as the best editors in their respective environments.
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  I like this kind of thinking: "Use the best tool for the job."
slavapestov 3y ago
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imbnwa 3y ago

TUI vs GUI seems orthogonal here, there are Copilot plugins for Neovim. Microsoft deciding what capabilities to make exclusive to its editor GUI is just vendor lock-in, not a fundamental refutation of the paradigm of modal TUI editors.

tester457 3y ago

There's no reason why GUI tools can't embrace modal editing.

steve_taylor 3y ago
Also no reason terminal editors have to be modal, e.g. pico/nano

acaloiar 3y ago

> I think terminals had a time and place, but it’s time we moved on to tools that are more user friendly and provide better features. The terminal is not an impediment to "better features", and "user friendliness" is purely a subjective matter. I find VSCode deeply unfriendly to my preferred method of editing code, and I imagine VSCode users find vim, kakoune, and emacs similarly unfriendly to their preferred method of editing code. Nobody is wrong in their findings -- what one finds unfriendly is objectively true to them. But to say that I find VSCode deeply unfriendly is it not the same as your implying that terminals preclude "better" features and user friendliness. I'm simply recognizing preference, while what what you're saying seems to discount my (and that of many others) preference. [edited for grammar and clarity]

davidatbu 3y ago

I just skimmed the release blog post for Copilot Chat, and I don't see why it can't be implemented in a terminal based editor. Copilot itself was.

sethrin 3y ago

I've been using the vim vscode plugin in vscode-nightly with Copilot Chat for a few weeks. I'm far from a vim expert, but I think you don't understand the point of vim, which is perhaps best understood as a language for text manipulation. Also, I have not found the chat feature of Copilot to be particularly useful.

triyambakam 3y ago

We? Speak for yourself

sublinear 3y ago

> I think terminals had a time and place This is far beyond just an opinion about text editors. The terminal isn't going anywhere. It's the fallback, or sometimes the only, interactive mode available. Many developers use both vscode and vim on a daily basis, including myself. I see them as the best editors in their respective environments.

throwaway2037 3y ago
I like this kind of thinking: "Use the best tool for the job."

slavapestov 3y ago

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